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@BrodieOnLinux Well hearing the developers comment on it that if you thing X11 security is bad, it's much worse than you think... and I like moving towards the future of where things will go. So (I commented on it when you asked about what kept people on X11) but I jumped to the Wayland session 2 realeases before Fedora defaulted to it (there were rough edges, but nothing like when I started using Linux, didn't have to configure wayland by hand like X in the day, or bounce between the dual boot of 95 and Linux to figure out how to configure a chat script to get on dial up internet, all while learning vi).

I know (in addition to being a Wayland shill 馃槈) you also shill for Arch, but IMHO it breaks itself too often... #fedora gets me new stuff faster, and doesn't break itself. When you do your main system upgrade and make a new system with the spare parts, you should really check out the #ublue image based / atomic systems. I run a custom build myself to have it just the way *I* want (pull bits from #bluefin / #bazzite / secureblue). Plus if you really want something from AUR you can always use distrobox to run the userspace of *ANY* OS on the rock solid base system. But really anything you want is probably in `brew` already anyways. @jorge and crew do an incredible job providing the container based tools to build (or just tweak theirs) to be how you want it.

I mean enjoy Linux and encorage others to as well however you want, but all the Nix shills talking about how great it is to have an exactly configured system (if you take 2 years to learn a new programming language and constantly tweak and learn the new way they're doing it don't sell me on it personally. Containerfiles and chezmoi for my dot files get me the same result so much faster / easier.

@BrodieOnLinux Well hearing the developers comment on it that if you thing X11 security is bad, it's much worse than you think... and I like moving towards the future of where things will go. So (I commented on it when you asked about what kept people on X11) but I jumped to the Wayland session 2 realeases before Fedora defaulted to it (there were rough edges, but nothing like when I started using Linux, didn't have to configure wayland by hand like X in the day, or bounce between the dual boot of 95 and Linux to figure out how to configure a chat script to get on dial up internet, all while learning vi).

I know (in addition to being a Wayland shill 馃槈) you also shill for Arch, but IMHO it breaks itself too often... #fedora gets me new stuff faster, and doesn't break itself. When you do your main system upgrade and make a new system with the spare parts, you should really check out the #ublue image based / atomic systems. I run a custom build myself to have it just the way *I* want (pull bits from #bluefin / #bazzite / secureblue). Plus if you really want something from AUR you can always use distrobox to run the userspace of *ANY* OS on the rock solid base system. But really anything you want is probably in `brew` already anyways. @jorge and crew do an incredible job providing the container based tools to build (or just tweak theirs) to be how you want it.

I mean enjoy Linux and encorage others to as well however you want, but all the Nix shills talking about how great it is to have an exactly configured system (if you take 2 years to learn a new programming language and constantly tweak and learn the new way they're doing it don't sell me on it personally. Containerfiles and chezmoi for my dot files get me the same result so much faster / easier.

What would it take for the Atomic Desktops to be the default option in Fedora?

I tried to answer that question in my talk at this year's Flock to Fedora conference.

You can watch the recording (from the livestream) at: https://www.youtube.com/live/LvkFho1l238?t=7391s
Get the slides at: https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-to-fedora-2025/talk/8HKWCC/

#Fedora#AtomicDesktops#UniversalBlue#Bazzite#Bluefin#Aurora

What would it take for the Atomic Desktops to be the default option in Fedora?

I tried to answer that question in my talk at this year's Flock to Fedora conference.

You can watch the recording (from the livestream) at: https://www.youtube.com/live/LvkFho1l238?t=7391s
Get the slides at: https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-to-fedora-2025/talk/8HKWCC/

#Fedora#AtomicDesktops#UniversalBlue#Bazzite#Bluefin#Aurora