@Tattie All manner of other aggressive behaviors are actively *encouraged* in boys from childhood. In sports, schooling, outdoors, dating, and in many cases they're encouraged to or rewarded for bullying so long as they don't take it too far or bully a higher status person. Later in the workplace. Rewards for aggressive social behaviors abound for most boys.
What you've got to understand about this is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. We tell boys "oh you can't help being violent, it's just in your nature", and then they go out and do violence, and we say "well this just proves it".
It's a core part of what we call the "boys will be boys" phenomenon, where we forgive any manner of misbehaviour from boys and men, and shift the responsibility onto women and girls. We blame what a girl was wearing, or the fact that women keep refusing to go out with some dude. Or we blame mothers. It never seems to land on the guys themselves. 2/
@Tattie All manner of other aggressive behaviors are actively *encouraged* in boys from childhood. In sports, schooling, outdoors, dating, and in many cases they're encouraged to or rewarded for bullying so long as they don't take it too far or bully a higher status person. Later in the workplace. Rewards for aggressive social behaviors abound for most boys.
Here you go!
I'd really like to summarize the content of the following threads into a blog post format so it's not all scattered. But here are my post/thread/reply links on topics related to breaking through political and religious mind control to promote critical thinking, and assessing rural politics and stigmas, and building bridges. I've been in rural Idaho almost a year, and before that I was in the slightly-rural red-side of Washington state.
Some of these are replies to other people's threads where you might also find good info.
Shortest summary: Stay curious, ask questions, and focus on core shared values.
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114683091923810981
https://defcon.social/@corbden/115211337299972504
https://defcon.social/@corbden/111123310440204397
https://defcon.social/@corbden/115192479725348539
https://defcon.social/@corbden/115350631984426532
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114101370271023312
https://defcon.social/@corbden/111127613614123055
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114031688280575833
https://defcon.social/@corbden/113963733518491265
https://defcon.social/@corbden/113097375573648470
https://defcon.social/@corbden/112827276115861781
https://defcon.social/@corbden/112555643352041272
https://defcon.social/@corbden/111960392914844860
https://defcon.social/@corbden/115350631984426532
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114417034631644920
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114297889679313945
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114677165841617775 (the thread I'm replying to is worth it as well)
My investigation of a local (very small) hate group:
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114547240409335761
Misc/tidbits:
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114660806001844466
https://defcon.social/@corbden/114717294082254856
https://defcon.social/@corbden/115017803912073491
https://defcon.social/@corbden/111852066366068237
This Newhart episode from 1987 nails why you shouldn't publicly debate fascists, eugenicists, flatearthers, or any type of all around anti-human or anti-science weenie.
(And Newhart isn't exactly a model leftist.)
Humanity has always known these things. We just have to keep re-learning it.
This Newhart episode from 1987 nails why you shouldn't publicly debate fascists, eugenicists, flatearthers, or any type of all around anti-human or anti-science weenie.
(And Newhart isn't exactly a model leftist.)
Humanity has always known these things. We just have to keep re-learning it.
The question to ask when someone says "I don't understand why [such and such]..." is:
Do you want to understand?
Don't start arguing. Don't start explaining.
Ask for an opt-in first, or else get them on the record stating that they'd prefer to be unempathetic and ignorant.
Yes or no. It puts the onus on them to defend an indefensible position, OR it transforms you into a helper who will help them understand rather than a verbal combatant.
Ask questions. Stay curious. Focus on shared values.
The question to ask when someone says "I don't understand why [such and such]..." is:
Do you want to understand?
Don't start arguing. Don't start explaining.
Ask for an opt-in first, or else get them on the record stating that they'd prefer to be unempathetic and ignorant.
Yes or no. It puts the onus on them to defend an indefensible position, OR it transforms you into a helper who will help them understand rather than a verbal combatant.
Ask questions. Stay curious. Focus on shared values.
A notice went out that two girls ran away close to where I live.
The FB comments have me triggered.
I don't think any child seriously runs away unless they feel consistently and severely unsafe at home. I firmly believe this.
These children are repeat runaways. They've done this many times before.
Remember, I live in Idaho where parents' religious rights supersede a child's right to life.
One person tentatively mentioned that maybe, since they'd run away so often, that someone ought to look into their home life, just in case something is off there.
The rest of the commenters disagreed, with stuff like "They're just adrenaline junkies," and literal abuser language: "They need to be taught a lesson so it doesn't happen again."
These kids are ten.
These are girls who literally are choosing to risk a bear in the woods over whatever is happening at home. (And they do know what the woods are like — their photo shows them with a freshly caught fish. They've been out there for over 24 hours.)
I've been dissociating and in anxiety attack for the last hour.
This is what I mean by #AbuseCulture.
They do need to be found. They can't survive long enough in the woods, and any other "help" they might get will be just as bad or worse than what's at home.
So yeah, someone ought to look into what's going on at home. But I doubt here in Idaho, if anyone in the right position even cares, that the law won't have teeth to protect them.
Ruby Franke was caught because her son ran away.
A notice went out that two girls ran away close to where I live.
The FB comments have me triggered.
I don't think any child seriously runs away unless they feel consistently and severely unsafe at home. I firmly believe this.
These children are repeat runaways. They've done this many times before.
Remember, I live in Idaho where parents' religious rights supersede a child's right to life.
One person tentatively mentioned that maybe, since they'd run away so often, that someone ought to look into their home life, just in case something is off there.
The rest of the commenters disagreed, with stuff like "They're just adrenaline junkies," and literal abuser language: "They need to be taught a lesson so it doesn't happen again."
These kids are ten.
These are girls who literally are choosing to risk a bear in the woods over whatever is happening at home. (And they do know what the woods are like — their photo shows them with a freshly caught fish. They've been out there for over 24 hours.)
I've been dissociating and in anxiety attack for the last hour.
This is what I mean by #AbuseCulture.
They do need to be found. They can't survive long enough in the woods, and any other "help" they might get will be just as bad or worse than what's at home.
So yeah, someone ought to look into what's going on at home. But I doubt here in Idaho, if anyone in the right position even cares, that the law won't have teeth to protect them.
A notice went out that two girls ran away close to where I live.
The FB comments have me triggered.
I don't think any child seriously runs away unless they feel consistently and severely unsafe at home. I firmly believe this.
These children are repeat runaways. They've done this many times before.
Remember, I live in Idaho where parents' religious rights supersede a child's right to life.
One person tentatively mentioned that maybe, since they'd run away so often, that someone ought to look into their home life, just in case something is off there.
The rest of the commenters disagreed, with stuff like "They're just adrenaline junkies," and literal abuser language: "They need to be taught a lesson so it doesn't happen again."
These kids are ten.
These are girls who literally are choosing to risk a bear in the woods over whatever is happening at home. (And they do know what the woods are like — their photo shows them with a freshly caught fish. They've been out there for over 24 hours.)
I've been dissociating and in anxiety attack for the last hour.
This is what I mean by #AbuseCulture.
For more information, if you can stomach it, the book Breaking Their Will by Janet Heimlich gets into it. (I was unable to finish it.)
Fuck James Dobson.
#JamesDobson#AbuseCulture#ReligiousTrauma #exvangelical #exvie #exmo #exmormon
Not hiding this because folks need to see this, but CW for child abuse and the evils of American Christfascism. And speaking ill of the dead, which I will gladly do. I can't speak ill enough of him.
James Dobson is a major reason why this. Even his evangelical friends and radio cohosts thought he was too cruel. I'm glad he died before he could see his creation of Cristofascism come to fruition. He's one of the worst human beings to ever live.
Not content to let trauma-informed culture break the cycle of domestic abuse, he perpetuated child abuse by teaching millions of parents how. He even sold a device for beating children called "The Rod." (As in "spare the rod, spoil the child.") He advocated for what was known as "blanket training," used to break the will of children starting in infancy. The goal was to create a mindless being who would not cry when beaten, who would jump to with a "Yes sir!" on any command.
The core cruelties of white American evangelicalism in 2025 can be traced to many men, but this man was its face and kindly voice on the radio. When I speak of #AbuseCulture, this is what I mean. Dobson is the black hole which emitted its unholy light even as the revelations of science and open culture attempted to eliminate childhood trauma — Dobson raised its banner and pulled millions of Christians in, not just evangelicals, but anyone who trusted a figure promoting "Family Values," parents who would not on their own be able or even willing to enact such cruelties upon their own children, but under Dobson's manipulations, broke the will of their children...
...children who grew up and abused their own children, who are now pastors and sheriffs and senators and ICE thugs who want to make this reality for all of us.
That is the legacy of this horrible, horrible man.
I don't wish eternal hell on anyone, but I wouldn't mind if this particular creature experienced every pain he caused.
Not hiding this because folks need to see this, but CW for child abuse and the evils of American Christfascism. And speaking ill of the dead, which I will gladly do. I can't speak ill enough of him.
James Dobson is a major reason why this. Even his evangelical friends and radio cohosts thought he was too cruel. I'm glad he died before he could see his creation of Cristofascism come to fruition. He's one of the worst human beings to ever live.
Not content to let trauma-informed culture break the cycle of domestic abuse, he perpetuated child abuse by teaching millions of parents how. He even sold a device for beating children called "The Rod." (As in "spare the rod, spoil the child.") He advocated for what was known as "blanket training," used to break the will of children starting in infancy. The goal was to create a mindless being who would not cry when beaten, who would jump to with a "Yes sir!" on any command.
The core cruelties of white American evangelicalism in 2025 can be traced to many men, but this man was its face and kindly voice on the radio. When I speak of #AbuseCulture, this is what I mean. Dobson is the black hole which emitted its unholy light even as the revelations of science and open culture attempted to eliminate childhood trauma — Dobson raised its banner and pulled millions of Christians in, not just evangelicals, but anyone who trusted a figure promoting "Family Values," parents who would not on their own be able or even willing to enact such cruelties upon their own children, but under Dobson's manipulations, broke the will of their children...
...children who grew up and abused their own children, who are now pastors and sheriffs and senators and ICE thugs who want to make this reality for all of us.
That is the legacy of this horrible, horrible man.
I don't wish eternal hell on anyone, but I wouldn't mind if this particular creature experienced every pain he caused.
For more information, if you can stomach it, the book Breaking Their Will by Janet Heimlich gets into it. (I was unable to finish it.)
Fuck James Dobson.
#JamesDobson#AbuseCulture#ReligiousTrauma #exvangelical #exvie #exmo #exmormon
Not hiding this because folks need to see this, but CW for child abuse and the evils of American Christfascism. And speaking ill of the dead, which I will gladly do. I can't speak ill enough of him.
James Dobson is a major reason why this. Even his evangelical friends and radio cohosts thought he was too cruel. I'm glad he died before he could see his creation of Cristofascism come to fruition. He's one of the worst human beings to ever live.
Not content to let trauma-informed culture break the cycle of domestic abuse, he perpetuated child abuse by teaching millions of parents how. He even sold a device for beating children called "The Rod." (As in "spare the rod, spoil the child.") He advocated for what was known as "blanket training," used to break the will of children starting in infancy. The goal was to create a mindless being who would not cry when beaten, who would jump to with a "Yes sir!" on any command.
The core cruelties of white American evangelicalism in 2025 can be traced to many men, but this man was its face and kindly voice on the radio. When I speak of #AbuseCulture, this is what I mean. Dobson is the black hole which emitted its unholy light even as the revelations of science and open culture attempted to eliminate childhood trauma — Dobson raised its banner and pulled millions of Christians in, not just evangelicals, but anyone who trusted a figure promoting "Family Values," parents who would not on their own be able or even willing to enact such cruelties upon their own children, but under Dobson's manipulations, broke the will of their children...
...children who grew up and abused their own children, who are now pastors and sheriffs and senators and ICE thugs who want to make this reality for all of us.
That is the legacy of this horrible, horrible man.
I don't wish eternal hell on anyone, but I wouldn't mind if this particular creature experienced every pain he caused.
If you're a woman or femme, or feel like you absorbed female conditioning in any way, learning how to stop taking shit is the most feminist thing you can do.
Now you, the sincere follower, go about your life in the real world with this package of malware in your head.
You're eventually going to say something racist in mixed company. And you're going to be called out on it. By someone who isn't a recognized religious or political authority.
Suddenly you're triggered. You can't just be, "woopsie, my bad." You're not going to be receptive or teachable. Because you've been moved to the 100% bad box. Even though the person who gently mentioned it in order to help you be the good person you think you are only wanted a woopsie level of response.
All that going to hell stuff, being cut off from your community and God's presence, all of that baggage comes along with a pressing, dire, life-or-death need to defend yourself, all the roles you've been traumatized in religious contexts, that is with you now, not the person who called you out. These are the only alternatives of being for you:
1. Chosen pure moral Christian, the only keeper and defender of all that is good and right in the world.
or
2. Depraved Satan-spawn of unworthy, unclean wickedness who is definitely going to hell, oh and God hates you.
Since you heard that racist thing from a respected religious or political authority, who is definitely in box #1, then the problem here couldn't possibly be the racist thing you said that has put you in this terrifying emotional predicament. No, it must be that your accuser is wrong. THEY'RE the wicked one. Maybe they're even the racist. How dare they! Now I must frantically prove that I'm not the racist. Maybe by repeating more things that my covert racist pastor or home teacher said.
This is your only way out. Because of your conditioning.
These are the puppet strings that are on the minds of vast numbers of white American Christians.
[Sorry for the pronoun jumping. Bad form. I just want to get this written; consider it a first draft. I know what you mean.]
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This applies to any other form of bigotry you may have been programmed with.
If you are reading this and relate to any of it and want to be less bigot, you can free yourself by deconditioning.
Become aware of this dynamic within you. Become aware of any emotional reactions you have as you move through the world. Watch your inner life. Pause when you find yourself becoming defensive. (If there's little time and you're very reactive, just say, "Interesting. Thank you. I'll need to think about this." You're allowed to step away to process, or change subjects.)
Over time, dig to find a "woopsie, my bad" mistake-level within you, between the extremes you were programmed with. Foster that feeling. "I made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. I can learn from this and move on."
Practice. You can practice using those embarrassing moments you think of while trying to fall asleep. "Gosh that sure was embarrassing! Even after all these years I feel like I'm going to die when I remember that. But I know people who did embarrassing things and I'm still their friend."
Work to reframe and establish this middle ground, so that when it's a marginalized person commenting on your behavior, you have a calm, safe, receptive place inside to land.
That's probably the end of the thread. My breakfast got cold! Have a great Saturday, or whatever day it is for you in the future.
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I've been inspired by some thoughts this morning about why white people can get extra defensive about bigotry.
It's not white guilt.
It's white Christian guilt.
There's no level of wrongdoing that's "woopsie, I did a bad" in much of white American Christianity. The way I was raised, you're either 100% a good person or 100% bad. My religion put me alternatingly either in one box or the other, a package of cult techniques known as "Elitism" and the whole "Demand for Purity" [I originally wrote Perfection, which isn't the official term, but applies the same] to "Shame & Guilt" to "Dispensing of Existence" pipeline, a cycle I describe in my book, Recovering Agency. You're either one of God's beloved chosen to fight the wicked in the Last Days, or you're an unworthy piece of crap that God can't even stand to be around and you're going to suffer die.
I've also written in my book and described on podcasts the idea of the "pseudopersonality" created by cults in their followers. Your identity becomes so entangled in the group identity,l that the very thought of leaving or being disowned feels like a death threat. Who am I even, if not Mormon? But I have to do all these things to be Mormon. So a believer shapes their self-image and ego around the organization and its beliefs.
As you can maybe see, being a "good person" becomes directly tied to one's sense of safety. Combined with the ongoing spiritual trauma from these and other sources within the group, any hint that one is NOT a good person, particularly coming from anyone other than recognized authority, becomes a deeply conditioned trauma response.
Then the group introduces racist ideas in the context of religious teachings, but also teaches that the religion ISN'T racist. In fact, your group is the only beacon of real love in a wicked, Satanic world... ("Sacred Science", etc)
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Now you, the sincere follower, go about your life in the real world with this package of malware in your head.
You're eventually going to say something racist in mixed company. And you're going to be called out on it. By someone who isn't a recognized religious or political authority.
Suddenly you're triggered. You can't just be, "woopsie, my bad." You're not going to be receptive or teachable. Because you've been moved to the 100% bad box. Even though the person who gently mentioned it in order to help you be the good person you think you are only wanted a woopsie level of response.
All that going to hell stuff, being cut off from your community and God's presence, all of that baggage comes along with a pressing, dire, life-or-death need to defend yourself, all the roles you've been traumatized in religious contexts, that is with you now, not the person who called you out. These are the only alternatives of being for you:
1. Chosen pure moral Christian, the only keeper and defender of all that is good and right in the world.
or
2. Depraved Satan-spawn of unworthy, unclean wickedness who is definitely going to hell, oh and God hates you.
Since you heard that racist thing from a respected religious or political authority, who is definitely in box #1, then the problem here couldn't possibly be the racist thing you said that has put you in this terrifying emotional predicament. No, it must be that your accuser is wrong. THEY'RE the wicked one. Maybe they're even the racist. How dare they! Now I must frantically prove that I'm not the racist. Maybe by repeating more things that my covert racist pastor or home teacher said.
This is your only way out. Because of your conditioning.
These are the puppet strings that are on the minds of vast numbers of white American Christians.
[Sorry for the pronoun jumping. Bad form. I just want to get this written; consider it a first draft. I know what you mean.]
🧵
I've been inspired by some thoughts this morning about why white people can get extra defensive about bigotry.
It's not white guilt.
It's white Christian guilt.
There's no level of wrongdoing that's "woopsie, I did a bad" in much of white American Christianity. The way I was raised, you're either 100% a good person or 100% bad. My religion put me alternatingly either in one box or the other, a package of cult techniques known as "Elitism" and the whole "Demand for Purity" [I originally wrote Perfection, which isn't the official term, but applies the same] to "Shame & Guilt" to "Dispensing of Existence" pipeline, a cycle I describe in my book, Recovering Agency. You're either one of God's beloved chosen to fight the wicked in the Last Days, or you're an unworthy piece of crap that God can't even stand to be around and you're going to suffer die.
I've also written in my book and described on podcasts the idea of the "pseudopersonality" created by cults in their followers. Your identity becomes so entangled in the group identity,l that the very thought of leaving or being disowned feels like a death threat. Who am I even, if not Mormon? But I have to do all these things to be Mormon. So a believer shapes their self-image and ego around the organization and its beliefs.
As you can maybe see, being a "good person" becomes directly tied to one's sense of safety. Combined with the ongoing spiritual trauma from these and other sources within the group, any hint that one is NOT a good person, particularly coming from anyone other than recognized authority, becomes a deeply conditioned trauma response.
Then the group introduces racist ideas in the context of religious teachings, but also teaches that the religion ISN'T racist. In fact, your group is the only beacon of real love in a wicked, Satanic world... ("Sacred Science", etc)
🧵