@davidcampey

That's only small part of the story, but good example. Where it says Meta you might fill in the name of any corp or group thereof. The anecdote in the the toot above is indicative of a much more general issue that exists in #FOSS. We cannot control the larger picture, effectively 'dump' tech into society on license protection alone, a de-facto "tech means progress" assumption.

I gave follow-up to the #ActivityPub developer community in a #SocialHub topic:

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fediverse-activitypub-and-the-ethics/5432

@mikedev

Confusion that arises with me is in how I conceptually perceive the notion of self-sovereign identity. Namely as your identity in some digital representation, that is decoupled from the data you own and where it resides. Where SSI allows one to have nomadic homes just as well.

Maybe that is not the case in how the standards are developed and 'something extra' i.e. nomadic identity is required.

Either that or it may be better named to avoid the confusion with other uses of "identity".

@mikedev

FYI I updated the related #SocialHub topic with your responses, in order to keep a record there..

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/nomadic-identity-for-the-fediverse/2101/96?u=aschrijver

The issue with digital identity is that people don’t have a single, unified identity. Identity, like many things, is a social construct, not part of some natural order. As a dual national, I'm acutely aware that when and how I assert an identity credential, or characteristic, depends on context. Therefore, digital systems that help us assert these identities must be responsive to people’s contextual needs and under their control. Otherwise, we’re just building more surveillance tools.

@torgo a lot of confusion arises when there's no shared understanding of identity in a particular context, or even the context itself is unclear. We see this in #ActivityPub development, where a plethora of different mental models and perspectives are complicating severely the standardization process.

An example is this #SocialHub post and onwards pondering "What is Nomadic identity?" ..

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/nomadic-identity-for-the-fediverse/2101/77

@radhitya

Both and offer integration and have AP-themed forums / forum categories sync their federated content. Posting on a forum first has the advantage that it leaves a track record / archive (and has generally a better UI for discussions :)

Here's the dev community forum:

socialhub.activitypub.rocks

And here is NodeBB's ActivityPub dedicated category:

community.nodebb.org/category/

@julian @evan @reiver

While developing the initial version of the #polls for #ActivityPub#WordPress plugin, I so often got reminded to the preamble words of @gancio from @lesion

"Building software means taking a stand, making decisions, choices. These choices start from a precise look at reality, from specific needs and ends implementing specific features, choose default values, simplify some flow and patterns while making difficult others."

It's just a tiny poll plugin, but there are still decisions to be made: For example, when to reveal the poll vote counts, to whom, and when to reset the vote counts (e.g. when changing the type from single choice to multiple).

There are many flow patterns that I don't consider worth striving for. Please help me by leaving some comments on the scenarios you can imagine.

@steve

Interested. I collected some C2S resources together before.

I can offer forum space and matrix chatroom, if you are interested. 'Groundwork labs' on Social coding commons is themed to exploring the foundational technologies of social web / fediverse.

There's no membership, just affiliation. Groundwork labs is a fellowship, where interested parties collaborate, not a community.

https://discuss.coding.social/c/fellowships/groundwork-labs/42

https://matrix.to/#/#groundwork-matters:matrix.org

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-experience/issues/130

@steve

#SocialHub of course also has a dedicated C2S category already, so is another option to collect and federate discussions.

What to choose depends I guess how far 'extend' goes. Just wanted to drop it as an option.

The archive of prior #ActivityPub C2S discussions at SocialHub:

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/activitypub/c2s/6

@write_as

That is excellent and exemplary to other fediverse app developers to help the #ActivityPub ecosystem improve and become increase overall #interoperability.

PS. I noticed that no discussion thread for the #FEP was created on #SocialHub, so I took that upon me:

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-b2b8-long-form-text/5300/2?u=aschrijver

I mentioned #WriteFreely / #WriteAs in follow-up as candidate for the Implementations sections of this FEP.

cc FEP author @evan

@strypey @skyfaller @hugh @bob

I did not mention a #SocialHub thread. There are multiple discussions where various aspects were discussed, that might still be useful. The search facility is best way to find them.

As for AndStatus the github issue lists their step-by-step progress in investigating what was needed, and what the challenges were. One of them was unavailibility of appropriate server back-ends to test against, mentioned *at the time* as challenge.

Would ❤️ more #ActivityPub C2S dev.

@smallcircles
> I did not mention a #SocialHub thread

True. My mistake : )

> Would ❤️ more #ActivityPub C2S dev

Am I right in thinking SocialCG have been looking at improving standardisation on that front?

@skyfaller @hugh @bob

@smallcircles
> what is needed client-side can be found in the AndStatus project ... there were among others no server implementations to test against

Seems like Pleroma had it working before mid-2020;

pleroma.social/announcements/2

The Epicyon server has support for AP C2S too, so that could also be used to test apps trying to implement it;

libreserver.org/epicyon/

Was any of this mentioned in the SH thread?

@skyfaller @hugh
@bob

@strypey @skyfaller @hugh @bob

I did not mention a #SocialHub thread. There are multiple discussions where various aspects were discussed, that might still be useful. The search facility is best way to find them.

As for AndStatus the github issue lists their step-by-step progress in investigating what was needed, and what the challenges were. One of them was unavailibility of appropriate server back-ends to test against, mentioned *at the time* as challenge.

Would ❤️ more #ActivityPub C2S dev.

@skyfaller @hugh

Also #SocialHub#ActivityPub developer forum has a bunch of C2S-related topic. You can use the forum search facility.

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks

A very detailed investigation on what is needed client-side can be found in the #AndStatus project. It was never completed AFAIK as there were among others no server implementations to test against.

https://github.com/andstatus/andstatus/issues/499