Anyone here got any insight into what's happening in the Scuttle-verse? Got any answers to the questions I was asking a year ago.
@pospi yeah I feel like we were promised the source code a few years ago, and that alone wouldn't be enough. I'm gonna need a lot more to convince me to switch
@powersource yeah, I'm not talking about switching 🙂 I'm talking about backup resilient comms infrastructure. (And knowing you, maybe you're talking about #Scuttlebutt when you're talking about "switching", so 100% good point there with equivalence to #Keet- both are DHT-based handshake protocols that end in gossip peering; and one is OSS but the other is not.)
@pepper0 Yes, with key-based identities it would feel like Nostr. Except the concept of "server" remains important. Each server still has a personality, is responsible for some types of moderation and helps community to form (I heard that Nostr also moves in that direction with its relays).
P2P mode of operation might also be possible, because FEP-ef61 was designed to be transport agnostic. For example, web servers can be replaced with @n0iroh nodes. You can even write activities to a USB drive and then give it to your peer.
@silverpill
> Each server still has a personality, is responsible for some types of moderation and helps community to form (I heard that Nostr also moves in that direction with its relays).
yeah in nostr they call them relays. most of which are provided by nameless entities, few provided by named individuals.
> Each server still has a personality, is responsible for some types of moderation and helps community to form (I heard that Nostr also moves in that direction with its relays).
yeah in nostr they call them relays. most of which are provided by nameless entities, few provided by named individuals.
Advanced nostr users, client developers, relay developers already expressed dissatisfaction with built in limitations of nostr protocol
(like for example, afaik both nostr-relay wss:// & activitypub REQUIRE valid domain name + SSL certificate is a must)
ActivityPub could in theory just use ipv4 or ipv6 address directly without SSL, but it is not allowed by protocol specification.
In nostr there is no relay discoverability. It is not broadcast network. Poor flood protections. No good peer\friend discoverability. and so on & much more, obstacles.
So advanced nostriches already began to work on nostr successors, enabling gossip protocol & dht in nostr clients.
Also one client publishing personal data to many relays without control, guarantees to clean own data - is privacy nightmare.
My post is a call not to repeat nostr mistakes, solve them.
>You can even write activities to a USB drive and then give it to your peer
that's more like sneakernet #scuttlebutt (& Co, & similiar f2f projects) (In this case I usually ask why not just work on them instead)
just small circles 🕊
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Department of
Mathematics and
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Mathematics and
Computer Science
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Computer Networks Group
The Computer Networks Group researches and develops distributed infrastructure for secure communication and computation at all levels of the networking stack. Our past activities include work on sensor networks, autonomic operations of networks, bio- and chemically-inspired networking, as well as mobile code. Currently our main focus is on survivable computing.
The aim of the P2P Basel workshop is to bring together researchers and software builders to share insights and collaborate towards the sound and sustainable development of efficient eventually-consistent (offline-first) peer-to-peer systems. Examples of related projects of interest are Secure #Scuttlebutt , DAT/Hypercore , Cabal , #Tox, BitMessage , #IPFS , Socket Supply co., #OrbitDB , Earthstar , Willow , #Nostr , #Holochain , #P2Panda , #GNUnet , #Hyphanet , #Freenet , #Zeronet , #Retroshare , #NextGraph , #Web3 , #serverless , #maidsafe , #matrix , Other P2P projects that are based on stronger consistency models, such as Mass Market are also of interest.