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I installed #Signal and #Conversations_im on a clean install of #GrapheneOS on my Pixel 4a and measured the battery impact. The results are shocking!

Both messengers had only one contact: my regular phone.

I used my regular phone to send messages to the Pixel 4a (which was not used for anything else over the course of the experiment).

I always sent the same message via Signal and #XMPP (mixing up which app went first). In total I sent ~32 messages in intervals of 10mins to a few hours.

RE: https://gultsch.social/@daniel/113549020656921249

#Signal isn’t just AWS. It also has a hard dependency on Google’s push notification system (FCM) if you don’t want your battery to catch fire.

Signal’s attitude towards #UnifiedPush and #FDroid speaks volumes.

GeneralX ⏯️

@generalx@freeradical.zone replied · yesterday

@daniel
" #Signal isn’t just AWS."

Correct, it uses AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, Cloudflare and Cloudflare's DNS servers hard-coded.

eduX

@eduX@bildung.social replied · yesterday

@daniel but it's a big step for most of the people!

However the problem is that most people don't even think about switching from WA to Signal - and NEVER heard about conversations #XMPP

#Schools could / MUST do more! Instead they are pushing students into digital dependencies. School leaders avoid the hassle to think, they appreciate conformity.

The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉

@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world replied · 3 days ago

@daniel What would you suggest as an alternative (not a facetious question - I'm genuinely curious)?

Daniel Gultsch

@daniel@gultsch.social replied · 3 days ago

@ApostateEnglishman I'm trying to phrase my statements in a way in which they don't sound like an advert, but I'm developing and Android instant messaging client called #Conversations_im which uses a federated instant messaging network called Jabber or XMPP.

Elena ``of Valhalla''

@valhalla@social.gl-como.it replied · 3 days ago

@daniel @ApostateEnglishman I don't develop an xmpp client so it's not a problem if phrase it like an advert, right?

I second the recommendation for XMPP, as it is properly and actively federated, with an ecosystem that encourages small, healthy, community hosted, servers (hosting one for ~20 users is about as hard, expensive and time consuming as self-hosting a static website)

Fox Trenton 🎱

@sintrenton@todon.nl replied · 2 days ago

@valhalla @daniel @ApostateEnglishman
I third that on XMPP. Been using it since 2001 (when I reluctantly left ICQ). Sound, well tried protocol.
OTOH, I also, as a user, not developer, recommend Converstations.im on Android. By far my favourite XMPP/Jabber app. And I have been using quite a few of them over the years.
Plus, don't forget the OMEMO encryption, quite important, which feels solid on Conversations.

The Sleight Doctor 🃏🍉

@ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world replied · 3 days ago

@daniel Great! All the best with the project. I've dropped you a follow so I can keep up with progress. 👊🏼

Radasbona

@radasbona@social.vivaldi.net replied · 3 days ago

@daniel wo wir gerade beim Thema #UnifiedPush sind.
Wenn conversations offline ist - z.b. beim Flugmodus - verschwinden die push Nachrichten. Sie kommen nicht verspätet sondern gar nicht.

Könnte man die nicht zum Zielserver ins dortige MAM schicken? oder wenigstens eine "verpasste Benachrichtigung" Mitteilung?

Daniel Gultsch

@daniel@gultsch.social replied · 3 days ago

@radasbona Die angedachte Lösung ist das der "Rewrite Proxy" / "Push Server" (also up.conversations.im) die Nachricht nochmal sendet. Das ist besser weil es auf WebPush-Ebene sowas wie TTL und topics (Deduplizierung) gibt und der Push Server das besser verwalten kann wenn er versteht was da abgeht.

Der Push Server weiß auf Protokollebene auch schon wann der client wieder online ist. Aber das resend Ding ist noch nicht implementiert.

Radasbona

@radasbona@social.vivaldi.net replied · 3 days ago

@daniel das klingt auf jeden Fall gut. Danke das du hilfst dieses tolle Projekt aus der Nische rauszuholen. 👍

Seit foss warn auch per unifiedpush warnt ist so ein resent durchaus wichtig geworden.

Gary "grim" Kramlich

@grimmy@mastodon.social replied · 3 days ago

@daniel Don't forget their policy on not allowing third party clients on their network.

helly ✅

@fluttersh@pony.social replied · 3 days ago

@daniel u need molly.im with https://github.com/mollyim/mollysocket for unified push 🙃

GitHub

GitHub - mollyim/mollysocket: MollySocket allows getting Signal notifications via UnifiedPush.

MollySocket allows getting Signal notifications via UnifiedPush. - GitHub - mollyim/mollysocket: MollySocket allows getting Signal notifications via UnifiedPush.

Daniel Gultsch

@daniel@gultsch.social replied · 3 days ago

@fluttersh yes and that's an extremely cumbersome work around for something they should be offering natively.

Martina Neumayer

@MartinaNeumayer@mastodon.social replied · 3 days ago

@daniel If I am not wrong, Signal does offer on their website, variants of their app without google's blobs implemented. I saw them on their github as well.

@fluttersh

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