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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

TIL: apparently one of the main technical hurdles for universities to run their own #Mastodon instances is to make the instance work with the institution's SSO (most often Shibboleth). It seems there would be a huge opportunity to facilitate the entrance of such major multiplicators into the Fediverse. cc. @Gargron

#academicchatter

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Kate Nyhan
@nyhan@fediscience.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs
I'm all for universities doing marketing and scicomm on Mastodon, but how many social media users want their employer to control their accounts?

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Stu
@tehstu@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs @Gargron this might also help with the longevity of instances (reasonably assuming consistency of academic funding), which is definitely a problem for Fedi.

I'm not too worried about the potential transient nature of academia, it's no different to you using your university email address as a student, etc. Plus, Mastodon has some degree of data portability.

Another benefit might be that if you're introduced to Fedi at university, you may stick with it. I'm assuming that's why Google crammed millions of cheap Chrome devices in front of kids at school.

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Cassandrich
@dalias@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs @Gargron Do we actually want Unis running Mastodon servers? Maybe for official role accounts, but having students/faculty/employees using an institutionally owned identity is just a horrible antipattern I've written about extensively before. Mastodon already has a right way to do this: put your account on an independent instance you trust and verify your institutional affiliation with rel=me.

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@BjornW@mastodon.social
@BjornW@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs
I think @wlaatje might have an answer to this. Afaik SURF created a SSO solution for the Dutch universities & research institutions.
@Gargron

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@BjornW @wlaatje @Gargron

It would be great if they could share it with everybody else, so it becomes quick and easy - if that is even possible.

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Ann H
@hardingar@mindly.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs @BjornW @wlaatje @Gargron they don’t use shibboleth iirc. But Shibboleth now also supports oidc not just saml…

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Wladimir Mufty
@wlaatje@social.edu.nl replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@hardingar @brembs @BjornW @Gargron

https://github.com/SURFnet/slurf

It allows users to choose their own (free) nickname instead of being forced to use an SSO attribute such as an email address, userID, or first/last name, you are free to use either a pseudonym or your real name.

It also provides an additional option to select a functional “group” account alongside your personal account for team-accounts.

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Federation Bot
@Federation_Bot replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs @Gargron and what exactly is the issue/difficulty there? (I was trying to think of a possible feature request...)

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@salexan @Gargron

I've been told installing the instance takes an hour, getting it to to work with SSO takes days or weeks. I wilkl enquire about the specifics!

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Gerrit Gragert
@EzellaGarnie@openbiblio.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@brembs
If I remember correctly, the colleagues at @SURF already did this for the federation in the netherlands.
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@EzellaGarnie @SURF @Gargron

If so, it would be great to have a solution (either how-to or a technical solution, plug-in, API, whatever), that would make that process quick and easy for all who want to follow.
I've been told this is a major hurdle: installing the instance takes an hour, getting it to to work with SSO takes days or weeks.

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