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New recording of me presenting how the #P2P stuff works in #CoMapeo by @awana.digital
@silverpill @erlend @zicklag @pepper0
Yes, effectively the adoption strategy is founded on the existing broad adoption of the whole web technology stack. That's one smart way to go and build on the shoulders of giants, then leapfrog ahead.
It also anchors us to existing web tech as the one and only way, a given. Despite the protocol stack having many issues and countless innovations available where people are exploring new areas. E.g. @interpeer @librecast
Defaulting to Web may inhibit these.
@silverpill @erlend @zicklag @pepper0 @interpeer @librecast
Btw, I'm personally convinced that we'll move towards hybrid decentralization where federation and #p2p co-exist peacefully side-by-side.
Regarding web I think there are natural places where the technology shines, in linking #hypermedia resources. And places where its use represents a Golden Hammer anti-pattern.
For #LinkedData I feel it has yet to see its killer app, that such hypothetical app exists, yet likely never materializes.
@silverpill @pepper0
With #Solid project you saw a "Just create intricate #LinkedData specs, omit appealing to dev community, target biz directly. And broad adoption will come".
With #ActivityPub we saw "Let's have these initial specs be the basis, and throw it into this grassroots ecosystem, and vNext will rise from that".
#DAT project saw cryptography and compsci experts going deep in the tech, without considering how it would be adopted, implicit "code it and they will come".
Etcetera.
@silverpill @pepper0
I made a similar case to @erlend and @zicklag some time ago, relating to #Muni town's #p2p technologies.
If one is content with small uptake, and maybe earning sustainable income from that for a small team, or even a decent SMB or mid-sized business, then all is well.
If ones ambition level is larger than that, things are a whole different matter, and much more forces need to be accounted for.
At Social coding commons the #FSDL considers these..
https://coding.social/introduction/#free-software-development-lifecycle
@pepper0 It was started in 2010s under the name MaidSafe. It was a blockchain, there was a token sale, etc. Didn't get any traction.
Then it was rebranded to SAFE Network.
Then to Autonomi.
Then it was rebranded to SAFE Network.
Then to Autonomi.
I've never met anyone who actually uses it, but I guess they made enough money from the token sale to keep developing it for the next 100 years.
@silverpill @pepper0
Don't know Autonomi, react to more general point:
- robust #p2p technologies exist
- there's no large uptake of p2p (social) networks
In 2017 investigating promising decentralized tech, most noteworthy was the landscape of tombstones of long-dead forgotten projects where people pumped in years of coding.
I came to #ActivityPub as best positioned for broad adoption and 'universal social networking' (bit disillusioned now).
Following holistic adoption approach is crucial.
I've been hearing about #AutonomiDweb few times.
PREFACE | INTRO
I welcome #p2p tech, that does work and is proven. I have an opinion that as of today, people of Earth already have proven, good & legit p2p comminication tools that I mentioned in my posts/feed. And one of the problems that those mentioned, existing (for 10+ years) p2p platforms doesn't get enough of users, adoption.
I review each NEW p2p project with skepsis, because it could split already small userbase. And I've seen some red herring projects, fake pseudo p2p.
Here are my first, surface, honest, unfiltered impressions about #AutonomiDweb
First looks, messy raw UX preview
step 1: opens https://toast.happybeing.com/first-post.html , it links to awe.
+ they mostly use Rust. that's a good sign.
- some usage of js, kotlin - not a fan of that.
+ macOS build instructions
+ AppImage
- no windows, bsd, non-linux build instruction.
> notices https://github.com/happybeing/awe moved to https://github.com/happybeing/dweb
~ confusing terminology. is it same dweb as in https://getdweb.net/ ?
- no mobile support
- no mention of privacy, anonimity, garlic\onion routing ( #i2p) layer or transport traffic protection against firewalls on protocol layer, that's big minus in era of DPI firewalls and some countries blockage 443 & other traffic, vpn, from time to time.
> + notices it utilized SOLID. interesting. but they won't fix concept of DNS, CA ?
+ https://autonomi.com able to read without JS. that's a plus.
- > footer of the site. well, if you say you represent some values to stand for some (our & mine) communities. maybe you should ditch discord for xmpp, X for mastodon, and Reddit for Lemmy ? huh? Think about that.
I think we could continue the review after this get fixed/changed @happyborg .
With kindness & respect.
New recording of me presenting how the #P2P stuff works in #CoMapeo by @awana.digital
@bhaugen @jalcine
We are working on a way to bring dat to regular browsers as well - but it's hard, because browsers are very hostile towards peer to peer and are inherently client-server.
Maybe this will be ready before the end of the year, but until then "pear runtime" is your best bet.
Good thing:
it allows you to build a p2p web using the web stack and release it for iOS, android, linux, windows and MacOS 🙂
It is plenty to take in, because dat is highly modular and it always has been
@serapath
Desktop + CLI I suppose?
We'd want to come back with #FedWiki sites. Maybe even the earlier dat Experiment that worked very well in Beaker Browser could be revived to extend the federation with #p2p sites again. Poor Hashbase that went down with the HTTP bridges to those sites, which never found a replacement.
To self: I should have run hyper:// seeds for those hashes I kept in Beaker. Maybe I can recover them somehow from leftovers in some ~/.local snapshot.
@k9ox
@bhaugen
Desktop + CLI I suppose?
We'd want to come back with #FedWiki sites. Maybe even the earlier dat Experiment that worked very well in Beaker Browser could be revived to extend the federation with #p2p sites again. Poor Hashbase that went down with the HTTP bridges to those sites, which never found a replacement.
To self: I should have run hyper:// seeds for those hashes I kept in Beaker. Maybe I can recover them somehow from leftovers in some ~/.local snapshot.
@k9ox
@bhaugen
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Selhosted P2P E2EE File Transfer & Messaging PWA
https://positive-intentions.com
* #OpenSource
* #CrossPlatform
* #PWA
* #iOS, #Android, #Desktop (self compile)
* App store, Play store (coming soon)
* Desktop
* #Windows, #MacOS, #Linux (self compile)
* run index.html on any modern #browser
* #Decentralized
* #Secure
* #NoCookies
* #P2P #encrypted
* No registration
* No installing
* #Messaging
* Group Messaging (coming soon)
* Text Messaging
* #Multimedia Messaging
* #Screensharing (on desktop browsers)
* Offline Messaging (in #research phase)
* #FileTransfer
* #VideoCalls
* #DataOwnership
* #SelfHosted
* GitHub pages Hosting
* #LocalOnly storage
Check them out!
(Degoogled links to the apps)
- P2P Chat: https://chat.positive-intentions.com
- P2P File: https://file.positive-intentions.com
- Encrypted drive storage: https://dim.positive-intentions.com/?path=/story/usefs--encrypted-demo
- GitHub: https://github.com/positive-intentions
IMPORTANT NOTES (PLEASE READ!):
* These are NOT products. It's for #testing and #demonstration purposes only.
* They have NOT been reviewed or audited. Do NOT use for sensitive data.
* All functionality demonstrated is experimental.
* This is NOT meant to replace robust solutions like #VeraCrypt, #Simplexchat, #Signal, #Whatsapp, #wetransfer. It's just a #proofofconcept to show what's possible with #browser#APIs.
Selhosted P2P E2EE File Transfer & Messaging PWA
https://positive-intentions.com
* #OpenSource
* #CrossPlatform
* #PWA
* #iOS, #Android, #Desktop (self compile)
* App store, Play store (coming soon)
* Desktop
* #Windows, #MacOS, #Linux (self compile)
* run index.html on any modern #browser
* #Decentralized
* #Secure
* #NoCookies
* #P2P #encrypted
* No registration
* No installing
* #Messaging
* Group Messaging (coming soon)
* Text Messaging
* #Multimedia Messaging
* #Screensharing (on desktop browsers)
* Offline Messaging (in #research phase)
* #FileTransfer
* #VideoCalls
* #DataOwnership
* #SelfHosted
* GitHub pages Hosting
* #LocalOnly storage
Check them out!
(Degoogled links to the apps)
- P2P Chat: https://chat.positive-intentions.com
- P2P File: https://file.positive-intentions.com
- Encrypted drive storage: https://dim.positive-intentions.com/?path=/story/usefs--encrypted-demo
- GitHub: https://github.com/positive-intentions
IMPORTANT NOTES (PLEASE READ!):
* These are NOT products. It's for #testing and #demonstration purposes only.
* They have NOT been reviewed or audited. Do NOT use for sensitive data.
* All functionality demonstrated is experimental.
* This is NOT meant to replace robust solutions like #VeraCrypt, #Simplexchat, #Signal, #Whatsapp, #wetransfer. It's just a #proofofconcept to show what's possible with #browser#APIs.
What do you ( #fediverse ) think of a social networking done on (via) the #blockchain ?
Are there working proof of concept implementations?
Since @silverpill already working on PKI\cryptography for fediverse, blockchain seems like a next evolutionary step for social networking, since it's just distributed (cryptographic) database.
I'm sorry that I lack resources & haven't put enough effort researching #crypto, #freenet , #hyphanet . But it seems to me kinda on topic, So I want to hear from people.
Maybe I want to hear from people like @ArneBab & @silverpill
I don't know here anyone else who work on #p2p social networking.
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Looking at working with legacy media thinking – silo vs flow
Every so often I answer the out reach calls from more traditional alt/progressive media orgs, let’s look at some of the very illustrative “common sense” knock backs. The recent examples are Freedom’s reaction and Good Internet’s submission call – As their reaction is useful to illustrate the fault line of “radical publishing” in a federated media path.
Here’s a sketch of how it can (and arguably should) work if we’re serious about, #openweb, and soft-communing […]
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Looking at working with legacy media thinking – silo vs flow
Every so often I answer the out reach calls from more traditional alt/progressive media orgs, let’s look at some of the very illustrative “common sense” knock backs. The recent examples are Freedom’s reaction and Good Internet’s submission call – As their reaction is useful to illustrate the fault line of “radical publishing” in a federated media path.
Here’s a sketch of how it can (and arguably should) work if we’re serious about, #openweb, and soft-communing […]
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The real blockages in activist tech
It’s not just the tech, we’ve had working #FOSS tools, protocols, and infrastructure for decades. What kills movements is social, it’s the politics. Fractionalism – ideological vanguards fighting to capture and control. Authoritarian “protection” – censorship framed as security, silencing criticism. Shrinking ghettos – small groups defining themselves by exclusion, not expansion.
On the so-called radical paths, whether Trotskyist, Stalinist, or anarchist, the pattern is the […]
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The real blockages in activist tech
It’s not just the tech, we’ve had working #FOSS tools, protocols, and infrastructure for decades. What kills movements is social, it’s the politics. Fractionalism – ideological vanguards fighting to capture and control. Authoritarian “protection” – censorship framed as security, silencing criticism. Shrinking ghettos – small groups defining themselves by exclusion, not expansion.
On the so-called radical paths, whether Trotskyist, Stalinist, or anarchist, the pattern is the […]
🚨 Porn censorship is going to destroy the entire internet 🚨
🫣 IDs link you to every click
🫣 Centralized databases risk leaks & abuse
❌ No anonymity possible
Politicians want to trade #privacy for “protection.”
Read more: https://mashable.com/article/age-verification-is-going-to-destroy-the-entire-internet
@Tutanota
And it will encourage more people to seek out alternatives, including #AutonomiDweb
And it will encourage more people to seek out alternatives, including #AutonomiDweb
This can't be censored and is end to end encrypted so you don't need a VPN.
Using dweb you can publish websites to Autonomi and view them in a standard browser. This includes dynamic apps storing and fetching data directly on Autonomi.
This will give vulnerable people, including children access to vital information and safe spaces.
https://codeberg.org/happybeing/dweb/src/branch/main/dweb-cli#contents
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The OMN with indymediaback and makeinghistory are paths
Most of the mess, and most of the #blocking, comes down to the same old story – ownership and control. Who holds the keys? Who decides? Who gets locked out? Instead of wrestling in that cage, the #OMN takes a simpler path: we walk away.
We put a class of media into the commons, governed openly through the #4opens: open data, open process, open source, and open standards. That means no one can close it down, hoard it, or fence it off for profit. The value comes from the shared pool, not from […]
just small circles 🕊
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Oh BTW I was interviewed by @pears_p2p recently about the #p2p work I've been doing. Low key I was jetlagged as heck for this. :P