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πŸŒ±πŸ΄β€πŸ…°οΈπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ§πŸ“Ž Ambiyelp
πŸŒ±πŸ΄β€πŸ…°οΈπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ§πŸ“Ž Ambiyelp
@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social  Β·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@jlou This is why private property of all kinds is theft, renting capital that is the product of your own labour as either an individual or a group replicates exactly the problematic part of capitalism: the assumption of ownership over a porition of someone elses labour because you lay claim to the capital. Have you read any Proudhon? Also money is bad because it makes capital accumulation inevitable, but thats maybe a different topic "The horror is the firm not the fact the firm has a boss"

#Marxism #Leftism #Proudhon #Capitalism #MarketSocialism

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J Lou
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@jlou@mastodon.social replied  Β·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@ambiguous_yelp

Renting out capital doesn’t imply taking a portion of someone else’s labor. They are just paying for a segment of the capital services, which are an input to the production process. The input-maker has to get paid. Selling the capital is just selling all future capital services.

There are ways to bake in anti-wealth-concentration measures into a currency like a fee on holding the currency.

Economic planning doesn’t work, and is incompatible with workers’ self-management.

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Brendan Jones
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@Brendanjones@fosstodon.org replied  Β·  activity timestamp last week

@jlou I suspect @ambiguous_yelp means something like this https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-communist-planning. Would that be right Ambiyelp?

I remain unconvinced (my thoughts mirror what you've put to Ambiyelp) but there are some interesting concepts presented.

The Anarchist Library

Anarcho-Communist Planning

Katja Einsfeld Anarcho-Communist Planning 06/2024
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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social replied  Β·  activity timestamp last week

@Brendanjones @jlou Honestly I think this essay covers much of the concerns brought forward in this thread

#Socialism #Anarchism #Communism #AnarchoCommunism #PlannedEconomy

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