Ready to #deGoogle 💯 per cent?
We've reviewed the top five smartphones that help you go Google-free in 2026.
@volla
@Fairphone
@murena
#SHIFTphone
#Punkt
Which one is your favorite?
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@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
Could you review linux phones?
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena None of these devices with their operating systems are secure and privacy-friendly; quite the contrary, they are a major downgrade from AOSP in security and privacy.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
The title of the blog:
"DeGoogled phones, made in Europe: Fairphone, Volla, SHIFTphone, Punkt – a full review."
May require to read the title once more (or twice) for some..
btw: the text is then upgraded with the manufacturers os choises.. yes..
It is time for European tech to free itself and rise from the dead. We are no slaves to no one.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena They're essentially all the same design, which is to say multiple camera having, GPS, AIs in the form of digital assistants embedded in them & none have physical keyboards, only Volla is military grade durable in said hardware, but it doesn't work in my country. So for my long-term needs in any smartphone I'd pay for, as they'd work for me year-round, which include having a physical keyboard, no AI and durability, none of these are real options.
Diversity in hardware is needed in the open source sphere, for widespread adoption to be possible. #DisabilityAccessibility #OpenSourceHardware #deGoogled
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
#Fairphone and #Murena are my favourites
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
Je vergeet Pinephone nog
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena If there's a list of private alternatives to Android but GrapheneOS is just an honoury mention, then there's nothing wrong with questioning the list.
While I'm not defending GrapheneOS's agitated response here, their arguments about questionable security and privacy of the products you promoted seems reasonable.
Tuta is a well respected secure email service. When you recommend alternatives, please keep the same standards in mind.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
I am incredibly disappointed in Tuta for publishing this blogpost. The options Tuta has presented worsen privacy and security, and this blogpost is is filled with misinformation. This seems counter to their stated goals.
I no longer have faith in Tuta to maintain my privacy or security, and I am reconsidering using the services that Tuta provides.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
I am incredibly disappointed in Tuta for publishing this blogpost. The options Tuta has presented worsen privacy and security, and this blogpost is is filled with misinformation. This seems counter to their stated goals.
I no longer have faith in Tuta to maintain my privacy or security, and I am reconsidering using the services that Tuta provides.
@Tutanota that's a lame excuse for omitting Graphene OS. And those OS's you mention are scammers. Unfollowed
@Tutanota thanks needed to save some money after the big spend this Christmas. Thats €96 I can now choose to save until I find an alternative.
@Tutanota
I'm also very much interested in iodeOS.
One thing that bugs me, though, is the incredible stupidity of app developers (banking apps and the like) that force Google (or Apple, for that matter) down your throat. Still looking for a way to get them reasonable.
(European) digital sovereignty, anyone?
@volla @murena
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
I'll switch to Murena /e/OS through the incoming Hiroh phone and Fairphone 6 or higher in the future.
iodéOS and Volla are great too.
I was interested about GrapheneOS but dropped it because of its leader's hammer statements and harassments towards other Android-forked projects, highlighted during French fake news campaign last November.
@Tutanota Every option you're promoting has atrocious privacy and security. Each one lacks the most basic privacy and security patches/protections.
You're also making highly inaccurate and misleading claims about GrapheneOS. This has been a repeated issue with Tuta. It's not surprising considering you're supporting groups not only scamming people but actively spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS and attacking our team with harassment.
We're going to be publishing a response to Tuta.
@GrapheneOS @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian Good morning, we explicitly mentioned GrapheneOS because it is one of the most secure options out there - but running on a Pixel, we can't really call it deGoogle, that's why it didn't get more space in the article. In any case, we'd like to change anything that's wrong in this article about GrapheneOS so please let us know what we should update. Thanks.
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian even better how many use googles supl for location i can tell you graphene os does NOT by default they proxy it and you can shut it off as well same with psds
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian Im on graphene os side on this situation.
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian by that statement can you call any phone trully degoogled they all make querys by default in the background to google most of which you cant control with out heavy restricted use id love to be told wrong in fact how many of the so called degoogled phones run googles dns by default im wondering i have not used some of these new os's but Im pretty positive none of those phones are trully degoogled
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian "DeGoogle" is the mistake, It's a meaningless term and its imaginary goal is completely irrelevant. All the products highlighted in your article are very poor in terms of security and privacy, and if we are to follow your reasoning, they are not "DeGoogle" in any way whatsoever, they all use Google services and they all depend on Google services, some, such as /e/, include their own intrusive services.
GrapheneOS really improves things, and this can be verified, these other products that you are promoting do not improve things, they make them worse. Presenting them under the guise of ‘deGoogle’ and ‘digital sovereignty’ is not relevant and is not judicious.
@Tutanota I'd say running a non-google OS on a Google Pixel is as de-googling as you can get.
Still, I hope you both can resolve this, and maybe GrapheneOS are right!
For example I was very suspicious when I first saw /e/ a few years ago - they wanted us to "register", the opposite of what Tuta quite rightly do in fact!
I love using Tuta mail!
@Tutanota @PaintedDurian Your article promotes 5 options providing poor privacy and atrocious security while making inaccurate claims in support of them and pushing false narratives about GrapheneOS. Misrepresenting GrapheneOS as being a security project rather than a privacy project and downplaying the privacy it provides is a common false narrative from multiple of the groups you're promoting attacking our project and team. That includes posting extreme harassment content towards our team.
@Tutanota @PaintedDurian Fairphone is a Google partner with their own OS having official privileged Google Mobile Services integration but yet it's on your list.
/e/ always connects to Google services and has highly privileged integration for Googe apps and services unavailable to other apps but yet it's on your list.
You're making highly inaccurate claims to promote each of the 5 for-profit options you've included on your list including the nonsense claim that CalyxOS and Punkt are hardened.
@GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian We're sorry to hear that, we didn't know about this. We put Graphene at the start of the article because of its value for everyone who wants to deGoogle (we're also looking forward to non-Pixel phones). We can update the part about Graphene to also underline the privacy aspect, will do so on Monday!
Tuta care about security? Yes? 🙃
👉 There is no privacy without security.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg
https://odysee.com/@davidbombal:0/why-grapheneos-is-almost-impossible-to:4
Why GrapheneOS is Almost Impossible to Crack (Forensic Teams Have Tried)
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@Tutanota @PaintedDurian You misrepresent multiple of the options you're promoting lacking basic privacy and security patches as being hardened. You're heavily promoting them as private despite them failing to provide standard privacy protections and patches.
Murena has engaged in years of relentless attacks on GrapheneOS inclouding harassment towards our team. We've posted a recent example of them doing it as part of trying to take advantage of French law enforcement attacks on GrapheneOS.
@GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian Noted, thanks for explaining.
@Tutanota @PaintedDurian You misrepresent multiple of the options you're promoting lacking basic privacy and security patches as being hardened. You're heavily promoting them as private despite them failing to provide standard privacy protections and patches. Promoting Murena is also incompatible with being on good terms with GrapheneOS considering their years of extensive attacks on GrapheneOS inclouding harassment. We'll ask our whole userbase to cancel their Tuta subs if you're doing that.
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian I would say that even though GrapheneOS requires hardware made by Google, it can be called „degoogled“. Why? Because the phone itself doesn’t use any Google services. It doesn’t phone home and it doesn’t share any data with Google. It’s just a bloody good piece of hardware and currently the best platform for a save and security mobile OS.
But when you consider that degoogling isn’t just stop using any Google services and sharing data with them, but also not buying anything from Google, then it’s probably not degoogling.
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian
GrapheneOS only supports Pixel devices because they're the only devices that match the security requirements of GrapheneOS. They would use another manufacturer if these requirements would be met.
@GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian We specifically mentioned GrapheneOS because we believe it's a great project, some of our developers use GrapheneOS as well.
So we believe, this is a misunderstanding, and we'd like to understand and fix it.
@Tutanota @PaintedDurian It's not a misunderstanding. You're choosing to promote unsafe products from companies heavily involved in attacks on GrapheneOS while misleading people about those and about GrapheneOS. You've been making inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS as part of your marketing for a long time now. Our community and project has repeatedly replied to the posts but yet you've doubled down on it and continue. We'll be asking our userbase to cancel their Tuta subs to support us today.
@Tutanota @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian
Wenn man so denkt gibt es fast kein Gerät welches Googlefree ist. So gut wie jeder Smartphone-Hersteller zahlt Lizenzgebühren an Google. Egal welches System anschließend aufgespielt wird. So gesehen ist ein Google Endgerät zu nutzen nicht mehr oder weniger degoogled als ein anderes Gerät zu nutzen. Wenn ihr näher forscht findet ihr schnell heraus das einige eurer genannter Systeme bzw Endgeräte dem Nutzer nicht die ganze Wahrheit erzählen
@GrapheneOS @Tutanota hey! Everybody just chill out for a minute here, go take a break and come back when we can learn to work together, instead of hurting the community.
I have spoken
@Tutanota since 5 years i use a phone from the murena shop, now a fairphone
no problems, very good
it is a preinstalled option no tinkering required
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena +1 for @GrapheneOS Secure + Private.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena 💯 @GrapheneOS because of it's sound security and prompt patch delivery
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
Anyone know of American based Linux phones? Half the time European ones don't ship overseas.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
I am quite happy with the shiftphone 8 I got from @shiftphones
currently running lineageos on it
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena if I check the @kuketzblog blog, there's only one OS which is Google-free.
@GrapheneOS
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena great article! Is it not worth including the Jolla Sailfish (Linux) family of phones, namely the C2 and upcoming new device later this year? You can get android apps like yours installed via microg which send no details back to Google.
@Tutanota Maybe update the Calyx note to avoid/postpone installs until they start providing new versions in the future?
@fdroidorg Thanks, noted!
@fdroidorg Thanks, noted!
@Tutanota Beim Shiftphone wird einmal etwas seltsam zwischen "Du" und "Sie" gewechselt. Generell switch't der Bericht zwischen sachlicher Aussage und direkter Ansprache, was etwas ablenkt. Ansonsten gute Zusammenfassung.
@Tutanota I would love to have a Volla phone someday! I am currently using a Pixel 3a XL, but with Ubuntu Touch on it, so it still takes me a while to completely degoogle.
Do you have any plans in the near future to develop a Tuta app for Ubuntu Touch any time soon? It is not quite convenient because I need to use WayDroid to access my Tuta mail.
@anhnguyennguyen Right now, we don't have this on the roadmap, but will discuss with the team.
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena Yes, when real identification (like BankID) works
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena not for me until they secure their thing with modern protection.