@GrapheneOS @attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Hey Graphene OS folks.
First, it's really great that you guys have created a security focused deGoogled Android operating system.
Given the problems of American big tech, I applaud you for creating an alternative.
So full credit where credit is due.
That being said, constantly badmouthing every other non-Apple and non-Google smartphone maker and operating system is not a good look.
And jumping into any thread on Mastodon where there's a mention of another alternative smartphone maker or OS to badmouth them is not a good look.
You say Jolla is no good. SailfishOS is no good. Fairphone is no good. Murena is no good. CalyxOS is no good. Dumbphones are no good.
I'd imagine you'd probably win more people over if you talked more about why people should choose Graphene instead why they shouldn't choose one of the others.
Because right now, there are tradeoffs with every mobile OS.
That includes Graphene.
For example, there are people for whom limiting their exposure to Google and Apple is more important than choosing the most locked down option available.
For such people, needing to buy a Google Pixel phone to run Graphene is a massive negative.
That's even if the Google Pixel is the best hardware from a security perspective.
And in that case, yeah there are other options that may be a better fit for those people.
There's another issue.
There seems to be many Reddit threads and YouTube videos and blogs out there from people who were enthusiastic about Graphene, but have soured on it.
And the funny thing is there's a pattern to it. "Cult-like" and "toxic" seems to be phrases that tend to be used a lot.
I've also noticed a recurring pattern you put for why the other alternatives are bad is because people connected with those businesses or companies badmouth Graphene.
It seems to me like Graphene constantly bags those other projects. When anyone connected with those projects responds, that response is presented by you guys as evidence of bullying and harassment, without that context.
And the recurring line about how people should just stick with iOS or Google Android if they don't choose Graphene? Just shameful. And completely misses the point of why some people are looking for alternative platforms in the first place.
And the more people who choose an alternative OS, the more normal it becomes to do it, which ultimately leads to more people looking at alternatives like Graphene.
#Android #Jolla #SailfishOS #AOSP #Graphene #GrapheneOS #Murena #Calyx #CalyxOS #Linux
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Unlike SailfishOS, AOSP is open source and therefore it's possible to build GrapheneOS on top of it. AOSP has far better privacy and security than SailfishOS which brings the lower security of desktop operating systems to mobile.
Jolla has spent years attacking AOSP-based projects as a whole which includes us. You only think they should not be criticized in response to that because you're against AOSP-based projects.
@GrapheneOS @attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Hey Graphene OS folks.
First, it's really great that you guys have created a security focused deGoogled Android operating system.
Given the problems of American big tech, I applaud you for creating an alternative.
So full credit where credit is due.
That being said, constantly badmouthing every other non-Apple and non-Google smartphone maker and operating system is not a good look.
And jumping into any thread on Mastodon where there's a mention of another alternative smartphone maker or OS to badmouth them is not a good look.
You say Jolla is no good. SailfishOS is no good. Fairphone is no good. Murena is no good. CalyxOS is no good. Dumbphones are no good.
I'd imagine you'd probably win more people over if you talked more about why people should choose Graphene instead why they shouldn't choose one of the others.
Because right now, there are tradeoffs with every mobile OS.
That includes Graphene.
For example, there are people for whom limiting their exposure to Google and Apple is more important than choosing the most locked down option available.
For such people, needing to buy a Google Pixel phone to run Graphene is a massive negative.
That's even if the Google Pixel is the best hardware from a security perspective.
And in that case, yeah there are other options that may be a better fit for those people.
There's another issue.
There seems to be many Reddit threads and YouTube videos and blogs out there from people who were enthusiastic about Graphene, but have soured on it.
And the funny thing is there's a pattern to it. "Cult-like" and "toxic" seems to be phrases that tend to be used a lot.
I've also noticed a recurring pattern you put for why the other alternatives are bad is because people connected with those businesses or companies badmouth Graphene.
It seems to me like Graphene constantly bags those other projects. When anyone connected with those projects responds, that response is presented by you guys as evidence of bullying and harassment, without that context.
And the recurring line about how people should just stick with iOS or Google Android if they don't choose Graphene? Just shameful. And completely misses the point of why some people are looking for alternative platforms in the first place.
And the more people who choose an alternative OS, the more normal it becomes to do it, which ultimately leads to more people looking at alternatives like Graphene.
#Android #Jolla #SailfishOS #AOSP #Graphene #GrapheneOS #Murena #Calyx #CalyxOS #Linux
Die update naar /e/OS 3.4 verliep flink hakkelig. Althans, het downloaden ervan. Maar het is gelukt. De installatie zelf was zo gebeurd.
En bij die update zit ook Fairphone Moments, for what it's worth.
#Murena has built-in #TOR support in their #privacy manager, allowing me to selectively pick apps who are routed through TOR.
Pretty nice, but I've always considered TOR a rather slow connection compared to VPN. Speed-tested TOR on newly refreshed #eos, giving me 20+mbps whereas I was expecting 3-4mbps.
I thought I lived in the future but I've obviously been living in 2010. 
Dutch university to start handing out only Fairphones to employees, instead of buying iPhones or Samsung.
RE: https://mastodon.social/@BuyFromEU/115922260237422063
Gezien de ICT en Microsoft afhankelijkheid (https://www.ru.nl/services/campusfaciliteiten-gebouwen/ict) van de Radboud Universiteit zal het hier waarschijnlijk niet gaan om @murena Fairphones met /e/OS. Maar ik krijg daar graag ongelijk in.
Toch is dit echt een mooie stap van @Radboud_uni, waar een voorbeeld aan genomen mag (of inmiddels; moet?) worden.
#Fairphone #RadboudUniversiteit #Nijmegen #BigTech #OpenSource #Murena #eOS
Murena is beginning (!) the roll-out of /e/OS version 3.4 which introduces the "Fairphone MOMENTS" feature to the Murena Fairphone 6️⃣ (assumingly both the community and the official version).
For all details (including changes for FP 5️⃣) see ➡️ https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/releases/-/releases/v3.4-a15 /u
#Fairphone #Fairphone6 #Fairphone5 #Fairphone4 #Fairphone3 #Murena #eMyData
Murena is beginning (!) the roll-out of /e/OS version 3.4 which introduces the "Fairphone MOMENTS" feature to the Murena Fairphone 6️⃣ (assumingly both the community and the official version).
For all details (including changes for FP 5️⃣) see ➡️ https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/releases/-/releases/v3.4-a15 /u
#Fairphone #Fairphone6 #Fairphone5 #Fairphone4 #Fairphone3 #Murena #eMyData
Dutch university to start handing out only Fairphones to employees, instead of buying iPhones or Samsung.
RE: https://mastodon.social/@BuyFromEU/115922260237422063
Gezien de ICT en Microsoft afhankelijkheid (https://www.ru.nl/services/campusfaciliteiten-gebouwen/ict) van de Radboud Universiteit zal het hier waarschijnlijk niet gaan om @murena Fairphones met /e/OS. Maar ik krijg daar graag ongelijk in.
Toch is dit echt een mooie stap van @Radboud_uni, waar een voorbeeld aan genomen mag (of inmiddels; moet?) worden.
#Fairphone #RadboudUniversiteit #Nijmegen #BigTech #OpenSource #Murena #eOS
Hello!
Je cherche à connecter mes aides auditives à mon tél pour avoir un accès sonore direct pour téléphoner, écouter de la musique...
J'arrive à les connecter par Bluetooth, elles sont reconnues, mais je n'ai pas de son?!
il faut passer par son audioprothésiste ou bien j'ai zappé une procédure ☹️
Je suis sous e/Os/ pour info.
Merci pour l'aide, le pouẽt, le repouẽt et tout le tintouin!!
#Surdité #Smartphone #e/Os/
#Accessibilité #Bluetooth #AidesAuditives #Murena
Hello!
Je cherche à connecter mes aides auditives à mon tél pour avoir un accès sonore direct pour téléphoner, écouter de la musique...
J'arrive à les connecter par Bluetooth, elles sont reconnues, mais je n'ai pas de son?!
il faut passer par son audioprothésiste ou bien j'ai zappé une procédure ☹️
Je suis sous e/Os/ pour info.
Merci pour l'aide, le pouẽt, le repouẽt et tout le tintouin!!
#Surdité #Smartphone #e/Os/
#Accessibilité #Bluetooth #AidesAuditives #Murena
Hello fedicrowd! Does anyone have the #Fairphone 6 with murena e/os? If so, can you share compatibility issues you encountered? I'm eager to ditch Android and would like to anticipate which troubles may lie ahead. :)
Liebe Schwarmintelligenz, hat hier jemand das #Fairphone6 mit #murena #e/os und Erfahrungsberichte bzw Kompatibilitätsproblemen? Ich will wechseln und wissen welche Schwierigkeiten mich eventuell erwarten. :)
Hello fedicrowd! Does anyone have the #Fairphone 6 with murena e/os? If so, can you share compatibility issues you encountered? I'm eager to ditch Android and would like to anticipate which troubles may lie ahead. :)
Liebe Schwarmintelligenz, hat hier jemand das #Fairphone6 mit #murena #e/os und Erfahrungsberichte bzw Kompatibilitätsproblemen? Ich will wechseln und wissen welche Schwierigkeiten mich eventuell erwarten. :)
Ready to #deGoogle 💯 per cent?
We've reviewed the top five smartphones that help you go Google-free in 2026.
@volla
@Fairphone
@murena
#SHIFTphone
#Punkt
Which one is your favorite?
@Tutanota @volla @Fairphone @murena
#Fairphone and #Murena are my favourites
Alla fine mi sono deciso e mi sono fatto un regalo di Natale, preordinando uno Jolla Phone, che arriverá presumibilmente entro Marzo 2026. Lo prenderò così come viene, non pretendendo che funzionino tutte le app Android, me ne farò una ragione e mi adatterò. Ma sono contento di aver preso un qualcosa che non mi viene il vomito a guardare ogni giorno. Purtroppo non riesco (più) ad essere indifferente su alcuni temi legati alla tecnologia...
Se qualcuno ha intenzione di allungarla con "tutti i produttori di telefoni abusano del lavoro minorile", lascia perdere, lo so già, e lo fanno anche per le automobili, i monopattini, le Nike e qualunque altra cosa che si produca al mondo: c'è sempre qualcuno che abusa del lavoro di altri, incluso il mio e il tuo, è così che funziona il capitalismo. Non se ne esce a parole.
Ma tornando al discorso... avevo considerato anche:
Fairphone Gen. 6 by Murena che costa un po' di più, ma gli accessori costano l'ira degli dei (lo screen protector e la cover a 26€ ciascuno... really???) e poi, alla fin fine, resta un derivato di Google, che potrebbe decidere di romperlo da un momento all'altro. Bello però il fatto che le app banking e anche l'app IO le danno come funzionanti con /e/os. Magari tornassi su Android un giorno prenderei un usato compatibile.
Pinephone 64, ma non mi è sembrato un progetto ancora maturo. Non so che cosa in particolare, ma non mi ha dato le giuste vibes.
un qualunque dumbphone, ma non credo di essere ancora sufficientemente pronto a rinunciare ad una connettività avanzata. Certo ne ho visti decine di telefoni un-po'-meno-dumb-senza-essere-smart, ma non sono convinto. E poi, a quanto pare, stanno virando verso paradigmi in stile cloud-terminals... non proprio l'ideale per chi cerca un po' di privacy. Manca il famoso anello di congiunzione perfetto che racchiuda le 4-5 funzioni che servono... salvo rendersi conto che queste funzioni sono diverse per ciascuno di noi... Ad esempio io vorrei solo queste, ma sono certo che chiunque avrebbe altre preferenze:
- Calendario
- Contatti
- Fotocamera
- Browser (full)
#pinephone #jollaphone #fairphone #android #sailfishosos #dumbphone #murena #smartphone
Alla fine mi sono deciso e mi sono fatto un regalo di Natale, preordinando uno Jolla Phone, che arriverá presumibilmente entro Marzo 2026. Lo prenderò così come viene, non pretendendo che funzionino tutte le app Android, me ne farò una ragione e mi adatterò. Ma sono contento di aver preso un qualcosa che non mi viene il vomito a guardare ogni giorno. Purtroppo non riesco (più) ad essere indifferente su alcuni temi legati alla tecnologia...
Se qualcuno ha intenzione di allungarla con "tutti i produttori di telefoni abusano del lavoro minorile", lascia perdere, lo so già, e lo fanno anche per le automobili, i monopattini, le Nike e qualunque altra cosa che si produca al mondo: c'è sempre qualcuno che abusa del lavoro di altri, incluso il mio e il tuo, è così che funziona il capitalismo. Non se ne esce a parole.
Ma tornando al discorso... avevo considerato anche:
Fairphone Gen. 6 by Murena che costa un po' di più, ma gli accessori costano l'ira degli dei (lo screen protector e la cover a 26€ ciascuno... really???) e poi, alla fin fine, resta un derivato di Google, che potrebbe decidere di romperlo da un momento all'altro. Bello però il fatto che le app banking e anche l'app IO le danno come funzionanti con /e/os. Magari tornassi su Android un giorno prenderei un usato compatibile.
Pinephone 64, ma non mi è sembrato un progetto ancora maturo. Non so che cosa in particolare, ma non mi ha dato le giuste vibes.
un qualunque dumbphone, ma non credo di essere ancora sufficientemente pronto a rinunciare ad una connettività avanzata. Certo ne ho visti decine di telefoni un-po'-meno-dumb-senza-essere-smart, ma non sono convinto. E poi, a quanto pare, stanno virando verso paradigmi in stile cloud-terminals... non proprio l'ideale per chi cerca un po' di privacy. Manca il famoso anello di congiunzione perfetto che racchiuda le 4-5 funzioni che servono... salvo rendersi conto che queste funzioni sono diverse per ciascuno di noi... Ad esempio io vorrei solo queste, ma sono certo che chiunque avrebbe altre preferenze:
- Calendario
- Contatti
- Fotocamera
- Browser (full)
#pinephone #jollaphone #fairphone #android #sailfishosos #dumbphone #murena #smartphone
Welke Nederlandse kennisinstelling wil graag met ons ( @murena ) 200.000 euro financiering aanvragen van het #SIDNfonds om hun smartphones (en tablets) digitaal soevereiner te maken?
https://www.sidnfonds.nl/themacall-de-transitie-naar-digitale-autonomie
#SIDN #DigitaleSoevereiniteit #Tech #IT #Android #iOS #technologie #opensource #FOSS #digitaal #opendesk #tchap #lasuitenumerique #eOS #murena
Meet the 🆕 Fairbuds XL 🎧 at
Fairphoners GRENOBLE 🇫🇷
🗓️ Mardi 16 decembre 🕖 19:00 h
🏠 La Turbine.coop | 5 Esplanade Andry Farcy | 38000 Grenoble
ℹ️ https://grenoble.fairphone.community
Tous les curieux bienvenu•e•s !
@LowMemory /u
#MeetFairbudsXL #FairbudsXL #Fairbuds #eOS #Murena #Fairphone #Grenoble #MeetFairphone5 #MeetFairbuds #WeAreFairphone #RightToRepair
I’m looking for a non-Android / non-Apple phone. (The smaller, the better.)
#Murena phones look great but the price tag is too high for me. Does anyone have any experience with #Jolla phones and #SailfishOS ? The C2 would be a bit of a stretch for me (I’d prefer a smaller and cheaper one) but maybe Sailfish is worth it ?
Meet the 🆕 Fairbuds XL 🎧 at
Fairphoners GRENOBLE 🇫🇷
🗓️ Mardi 16 decembre 🕖 19:00 h
🏠 La Turbine.coop | 5 Esplanade Andry Farcy | 38000 Grenoble
ℹ️ https://grenoble.fairphone.community
Tous les curieux bienvenu•e•s !
@LowMemory /u
#MeetFairbudsXL #FairbudsXL #Fairbuds #eOS #Murena #Fairphone #Grenoble #MeetFairphone5 #MeetFairbuds #WeAreFairphone #RightToRepair
Welke Nederlandse kennisinstelling wil graag met ons ( @murena ) 200.000 euro financiering aanvragen van het #SIDNfonds om hun smartphones (en tablets) digitaal soevereiner te maken?
https://www.sidnfonds.nl/themacall-de-transitie-naar-digitale-autonomie
#SIDN #DigitaleSoevereiniteit #Tech #IT #Android #iOS #technologie #opensource #FOSS #digitaal #opendesk #tchap #lasuitenumerique #eOS #murena