I'm not asking for faith in our direction - the thing I love about the Firefox community is how open, honest, and technical it is.
But I do ask that you don't have the opposite of faith. Like, try not to be determined that we're going to do the wrong thing here.
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@firefoxwebdevs Given the recent strategy document from Mozilla (https://blog.mozilla.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/278/files/2025/11/Mozilla-Summary-Portfolio-Strategy.pdf), which pretty explicitly and unambiguously sets out that Mozilla intends to do the wrong thing, I'm not sure what response other than "assuming the wrong thing will be done" would be appropriate here? It's not even really an 'assumption' anymore by that point, it's right there in the public communication.
@firefoxwebdevs at this point it's not "bad faith", it's simply empiricism
You mean "here" as the opposite of the long history where you did do wrong?
You asked to your users about AI, we replied with a simple :"no thanks", but you did it anyway. Dont be surprized we dont trust you.
You want to be a part of a tech which is killing the planet. "Putting people before profits since 1998", I dont think you understand the word "people" here.
My main question is : why do you want to encourage a tech which have serious consequences on the planet in so many aspects? How could this benefit for the commons?
@firefoxwebdevs it’s not “trying to be determined” you’re going to do the wrong thing when there’s clear evidence Mozilla has consistently done things users have explicitly requested you not. Like, turn “AI” features back on in an update.
This lack of faith doesn’t come from speculation. Mozilla has deeply damaged its reputation by its own actions.
@firefoxwebdevs
I don't know what you are expecting. The things your leadership are saying are indistinguishable from the crap that Sam Altman and the rest of the LLM "AI" crowd are saying. It's special pleading to say "yeah but our guy is on the level so you should trust us". Were all just tired of it.
@firefoxwebdevs I think the reason most of us have the opposite of faith is both that Mozilla leadership has shown the complete lack of understanding as to what Firefox (or other, since abandoned projects) stand for *and* the strong messaging they tend to send about the latest hypebro crap ("AI first" now, a few others from previous CEOs) which all goes firmly contrary to what the users feel Firefox should be standing for.
@firefoxwebdevs the problem is: if you work on AI, then there will be less work on urgent things like:
- privacy first (ads and tracker blocking, disable is per-site)
- accessibility (like adding a custom css is still difficult
- common sense (auto hide cookie consent)
I hope we can (re)gain your trust here.
I don't personally work on this stuff, but I'll try hard to answer any questions you have.
And other than that, I'll get back in my lane, and stick to web platform stuff.
- Jake ( @jaffathecake)
@firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake Simple question: why would a company spend so much time and money on something as big as "AI integration" if it's ought to not be used anyway?
I mean, it's been clear that the public doesn't give a damn about AI in browsers, Microsoft is already pulling out its AI from certain tools for lack of interest, so why, seriously, why being so biased, why going so deep into sunken cost fallacy?
@firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake I would say the biggest issue is that Firefox was sort of a beacon of open web and the last bastion on non-corporate browsers. This AI shift that absolutely nobody asked, has left the web with no real alternatives. And the main issue is that there is no clear problem to be solving here is just “hey now we have AI so you can … things”. Is not more open, is not even faster or less biased, and is factually making everything worse
@firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake sorry, but this is how many of us see Mozilla Firefox from some time now.
Unfortunately Mozilla asked twice for our feedback regarding the implementation of AI features. Twice, it was a resounding NO. Twice, Mozilla shooed away this simple 2-byte-length answer.
Why should we begin to trust Mozilla again?
@firefoxwebdevs It's not only about trust. It's also the question how Firefox wants to be part of destroying our climate and water ressources in a time of #climateEmergency and growing #desertification thanks to #datacenters needed by the #AIHype!
Software that contributes to this destruction, even though it could work without it, is not an option for me. If it forces me to use such functions, I consider it even criminal. Firefox/the CEO wants AI.
@NatureMC @firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake +1. "Our standard pizza contains arsenic, but there's an arsenic-free option if you choose!" is not a moral stance.
@firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake it’s hard to believe the “kill switch” will actually do what it says. We’ve been told time and time again “AI” will be “opt-in” just to have the features repeatedly turned back on after users have disabled them.
Why is this *any* different?
