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I was working on transferring my document assembly system from MS Office to LibreOffice, but didn't continue after I left private practice. If LibreOffice is getting used in enough law firms, I might consider going back & finishing it off.

@neil I’d love to use Libre but a surface design that takes me back to the 1990s really puts me off. Is there a way to modernise appearance? (I’ve tried all tricks I’ve found but it still looks like Nirvana is in the charts)

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I've recently started using #LibreOffice in anger, & am truely amazed at how far it has come.

The preset styles are so much better than Word's. I found that you can apply styles in a heirarchy ( paragraph > list > character )

@neil I don't use LibreOffice for legal documents, but I do use it frequently for technical documentation (containing images and charts).

(I use LO on Linux [Fedora/KDE] and MacOS [Tahoe] - I no longer have any Windoz machines.)

My issue with LO is it is not what-you-see-is-what-you-get. I find that I can not trust the on-screen layout to exactly model what will land on the paper. I still have need to put stuff on paper, sometimes to send out to a printer for mass reproduction which is a process that calls for reliable and accurate screen-to-paper fidelity.

(It is rather ironic that one of the long-lived, and never really fixed, bugs in LO is that its print dialog is often too large to fit onto the screen of a Macbook Pro - often it is so large that the actual "print" button is neither visible nor reachable.)

@neil great article. I was an Office user since before it was called Office. Since retiring I’ve switched to LibreOffice. Other than retraining long standing muscle memory, the transition has been remarkably easy. Getting my wife to endure the transition was by far the more difficult task. 😜

Not having to constantly opt out of crap I don’t like is a refreshing change.

@neil this is interesting - thanks for sharing.

A question - do you ever uses forms in documents? Checkboxes and the like? This is probably the area I have the most trouble, apart from formatting issues. Many people I work with do not know how or why to use styles.

Also videos in presentations - which is hard enough to get working on my own laptop, and stressful every time I need to make it work on someone else's. But it sounds like you avoid that one :)

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The only tool lawyers should be allowed to use... secrecy and things, impossible when using spyware

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A lawyer huh...

@neil I'm the same RE Etherpad, it's not a huge technical debt and it's probably a few clicks for me to install and maintain it but I just don't use it enough to warrant the few clicks.. That said, if Mozilla gets their email SaaS offer right I might be able to finally ditch my google workflows..

@neil FWIW I always install these fonts to ensure kerning and pagination compatibility

https://wiki.debian.org/SubstitutingCalibriAndCambriaFonts

Apart from which I had occasional issues exchanging documents with tables.

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I am curious about the percentage of your clients that want to have the documents on Cryptpad or Etherpad.

I am surprise non-tech people using Cryptpad, Etherpad (or Turtl).

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I'd like to see the converse 'I use MS Office and this is how I deal with my legal requirements under attorney-client privilege' article. Because I've never met a lawyer who could actually answer that one.

@neil Writer is my daily driver when I am not using a customer-provided alternative. It works well 99% of the time, but the odd .docx doesn't render some elements correctly or in the right position and I sometimes find that font spacing / kerning differs so that 'tight' blocks of text overspill where they are intended to be. The biggest issue is knowing where an option is in Word and having a bit of a hunt to find the equivalent in Writer.

@neil I really don't get the hate for LibreOffice, which mainly seems to be "It's not MS Office".

I moved to StarOffice (then OOO, then Libre) in the early 00s and have used it for multiple non-trivial tasks, including degree level maths assignments and my astrophysics dissertation. It has some quirks, but so does MS Office.

My big use of Calc was to turn an equation into a spreadsheet, so I could triple check my working through the process.

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I guess LibreOffice has an internal "versionning" system.

Would you recommend it or not ?

(I agree git is not adapted for LibreOffice.)

@neil I didn't think of doing that for PDF slides. That's a good idea for handouts etc 😊

My problem last time was finding something on the Windows computer that could handle PDF slides with embedded videos. At least on that machine, the answer was no. But I see pandoc converts to PowerPoint. That's pretty ubiquitous, so if the videos work that way then I might have a solution.

@neil it's interesting that there are a vast number of use cases that are perfectly fine - but the difficulty comes with the odd edge cases, that are probably different for everyone, and easier or harder to handle in different contexts. I'm always on a time limit when I get to a Windows computer and find that the thing I produced doesn't work for instance.

@neil Thanks 😊

LiberaForms looks very neat for the public type of forms. I will bookmark that 😊 Unfortunately we have a lot of "forms" that are really templates to be filled in between 3-4 people. But they use the forms feature in word/libre office to create checkboxes etc.

reveal.js is excellent and I do use it sometimes. I can't share those though - no internet+copyright issues. I tried PDF slides last time and it didn't go well... I wonder if pandoc might help... things to try :)

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Haha, just a little sigh of disappointment...

...not my favourite people, lawyer's.

Nothing personal.

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Ahhh I see. You are a tech lawyer :)

Make sense.