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@benroyce as if we don't outsource moderation on the fediverse already? How many times have blocklists been inaccurate? We've had these very issues too.
And just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that there's not like 99% of Bluesky's moderation actually working correctly and quietly behind the scenes. You tend to see the 1% that it doesn't produce great outcomes.
We've also seen that in the fediverse too.
sure, a #blocklist can be capricious and abusive, and subject to pique
but the overarching concept is that anyone makes a blocklist, and makes it as rigorous and comprehensive, or random and shoddy, as they want
and then people subscribe to it or not depending upon its quality (or lack thereof: is the theoretical harm in that a problem if it is self-imposed?)
if #bluesky corporate polices that, then what we get is they've removed the entire premise of #composableModeration
@benroyce if I add you to a list which deliberately attempts to defame or slander you, then you'd probably want either the list removed or your self removed from it.
There's a balance here.
@benroyce And also, the answer there probably doesn't mean "take the person who created / put you on that list to court & sue them"
sure
so #bluesky's effort to farm out #moderation doesn't solve any problems
iit makes them worse in fact for the reasons you delineate
moderation is moderation. it has to be done, there's no way around it
"well i hate it, the job sucks. why don't we just shift the responsibility, outsource it with no money involved and wash our hands of it. we can hype up the idea of 'freedom' and sell it as a gimmick that way"
et voila
the terrible motivation results in a terrible reality
@benroyce as if we don't outsource moderation on the fediverse already? How many times have blocklists been inaccurate? We've had these very issues too.
And just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that there's not like 99% of Bluesky's moderation actually working correctly and quietly behind the scenes. You tend to see the 1% that it doesn't produce great outcomes.
We've also seen that in the fediverse too.
#moderation is a shit job. always was, always will be. it's a human problem, no tech can dispel the chore. someone always has to be there, moderating
of course tooling can help immensely. the tooling shifts and manages the chore. that shift can be in good ways. also maybe unintentional bad ways
you know all this
i'm just laying it out so i can say:
on #bluesky, and on #mastodon, as you say, #blocklists create new terrible problems
i'm saying this tooling shift is a bad idea
as if to demonstrate this, I can't see what you're replying to cause hachyderm blocks me.
my argument is we should have any rules we want for content on our servers, but only limit/defederate other servers for harassment (unwanted tagging) or illegal activity. like the decentralized web and email, don't limit their browsing but do help them with spam. the goal is a space as welcoming as possible. be open to connection but prevent activity that drives users away.
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