@neil We will try not to get sued in the interim. Have a good one!

I have used vim since around 2000. I have written five books, a PhD thesis, a few dozen papers and over 150 articles with it. At this point, my higher brain functions are not engaged at all when I use a bunch of common vim commands, they just happen. Documents I wrote with anything else have random :w in the middle.

So I tried NeoVim when it was quite new. Vim that you are familiar with, but better? Great!

Persistent undo is one of my favourite features of vim (introduced a few years after I started using it). My .vimrc includes a couple of lines related to this. One sets the path to be under ~/.cache so the undo files do not clutter the rest of the filesystem (I do the same for the swap files). The other sets the undo limit to something large (10,000, I think) because disk space is enormous relative to pretty much anything involving human-readable quantities of plain text.

I don’t often need the persistent undo. But on the few occasions when I have needed it, it’s been invaluable: ooops, I deleted something from this file, maybe last week and one reboot ago, what was it? Undo until I find it, copy it, paste it into the current version. Or, a bit more commonly: I had this working, then I tidied it up ready to commit, now it isn’t working, what did I do?

Vim has kept this working across major version upgrades over a period of about 20 years. I don’t even think about it, it’s just part of Raskin’s First Law: A program may not harm a user’s data or, through inaction, allow a user’s data to come to harm. If vim or the computer crash, or if I close a file and come back to it six months later, my undo history is still there.

The first thing I noticed in NeoVim was that undo didn’t work. I tried opening the file in vim and undo didn’t work there either.

Neovim had changed the format of the undo files. It hadn’t upgraded the old one. It hadn’t used a different name for its undo files. It had just noticed the existence of a vim undo file, deleted it (losing all of the data in it) and replaced it with one that vim couldn’t read.

I raised an issue about this and was told that the persistent undo format was unstable and users should not rely on data being preserved in a feature explicitly called persistent undo. It had changed once and would probably change again.

And that ended my experience with NeoVim. The authors showed immediately that they absolutely could not be trusted with any of my data. Breaking persistent undo is something I could forgive as a bug, but the attitude that just because something is a persistent file on your filesystem that contains data that you might want is no reason for their program not to delete it meant they had no concept of a duty of care to their users.

Apparently now they’re platforming white supremacists. I am completely unsurprised. Different facets of the same underlying attitude.

@dsilverman They irritate me, too! @cultofmac

RE: https://mastodon.social/@cultofmac/117173800764369360

It sold for $34,375, saved you a click.

(The story is fun and worth reading, but these "hide the pickle" clickbait headlines are beyond annoying.)

@promovicz oh it's not about clarity, the word is clear enough. my issue with it is the misuse of it for half a century by bell labs and IBM and EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A FILESYSTEM BECAUSE THEY LOVE HAVING POWER OVER OTHERS AND NOT SEMANTIC GUARANTEES!

@hipsterelectron *swoops file to ePaper tablet* - yes, i see the point that it's an unclear term, and it gets unseemly when discussing non-determinism in my discrete case. it also seems incomplete/incoherent when dealing with non-discrete mathematical objects.

i could maybe say "discrete information metrics"? have an idea?

Jancovici qui dit “Le monde politique ne comprend que les rapports de force. C’est peut-être triste, mais c’est ainsi. Il faut donc accepter de jouer avec cette règle du jeu si on veut faire exister une idée ou un point de vue qui est considéré comme pertinent par ailleurs.”*

Je lis ça vraiment une incompréhension du fait politique : la politique c’est les rapports de force ! C’est pas juste le vote tous les 4 ou 5 ans… et il présente ça comme si c’était une nouvelle règle du jeu. Bon après, peut-être que ça le radicalisera un peu.

* https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jean-marc-jancovici_vous-%C3%AAtes-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0-plus-nombreux-%C3%A0-soutenir-share-7499008732610252800-jA_Q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAD9SXUBsEFbFFh2bqoJZNjaM2qkofDaedY