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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz · 16 hours ago

Things I'm too polite to say out loud;

"You may think everybody uses Whatsapp. Someone else may think everybody uses iMessage. Someone else may think everyone uses Instagram DMs. Saying that everyone does or should use a specific centralized messaging app is discrimination against those who know better or simply have different preferences. Following the pack for the sake of following the pack is always a bad idea."

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc/

#chat #messaging #ProtocolCommons #OpenStandards

Book of Adam Z

The smartest messaging method is not a segregated mess of WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, SMS, Slack, Teams, Facebook, Instagram, WeChat, etc.

Managing too many messaging apps can cause cognitive overload and contribute to burn-out. It’s smarter to focus on the one system that works with everything everywhere there’s internet and is completely open for you to control and customize on your own within the largest messaging ecosystem on the planet.

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Chris Dolunt

@cwdolunt@dice.camp replied · 16 hours ago

@strypey Coincidentally I'm trying out Spike email right now. It is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Too bad there's no FOSS equivalent that I know of.

Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 14 hours ago

@cwdolunt
> trying out Spike email right now

AFAICT this is completely proprietary, and bundling an "AI" chatbot. Not for me, thanks.

> Didn't know about delta chat. I'll have to take a look

I've been using it for a few years. Managed to get a few family and friends to try it, but it didn't stick. Still useful to me though, because I can exchange ordinary email with them using a chat-like interface.

Chris Dolunt

@cwdolunt@dice.camp replied · 4 hours ago

@strypey

> AFAICT this is completely proprietary, and bundling an "AI" chatbot. Not for me, thanks.

Yep, I know, though most of the AI stuff requires a subscription, so I can ignore it. Spark email has a similar interface, but is also proprietary and full of AI crap. If there was a FOSS alternative to either that would be wonderful.

>I can exchange ordinary email with them using a chat-like interface.

That there is what I'm looking for, email grouped by person, not message or thread.

Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 16 hours ago

MS/MMS is slated to be replaced with “Rich Communications System” (RCS), a new standard for sending electronic text-based messages between phones.

...

You have to basically be a phone company and pay the GSMA tens of thousands of dollars per year to be a member in order to have the privilege of implementing an RCS based system. That’s not open or democratic at all."

#AdamZLein, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc/

#OpenStandards #SMS #RCS

Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 16 hours ago

"... phone numbers are recycled. If you were to get a new phone number today, it probably belonged to someone else already. Thusly, you’re going to get all of the text messaging notifications and calls for that person.

#AdamZLein, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc/#everyoneelse

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 15 hours ago

"Plus any apps you sign into with a phone number will probably hijack that previous person’s account, too. I was able to easily do that with WhatsApp, Signal, & Telegram since those apps are heavily (and stupidly) dependent on phone numbers. "

@Adam, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc/

Hang on, are you saying you were able to hijack people's Telegram and *Signal* accounts using recently issued SIMs with recycled phone numbers?!

#Signal #WhatSapp #Telegram

Adam Lein

@Adam@social.lein.us replied · 5 hours ago

@strypey >>Hang on, are you saying you were able to hijack people's Telegram and *Signal* accounts using recently issued SIMs with recycled phone numbers?!

Yes, by accident even. Apps that use phone numbers for registration just give you everything associated with that # if you get the SMS messages. I had full access to someone's lottery app too.

morph

@morph@morphnet.de replied · 13 hours ago

@strypey He hacked 'em all. Done easily. 😄

Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 12 hours ago

@morph
> He hacked 'em all

The Pokemon?

morph

@morph@morphnet.de replied · 12 hours ago

@strypey
Is "The Pokemon" his Cybername?

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 13 hours ago

"Instead of simply typing a message to your friend and pressing the send button, you have to spend some cognitive energy trying to remember which messaging app that friend prefers to use, then switch to that app, find the message thread, THEN you can pick up the conversation."

@Adam, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc

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#chat #CognitiveLoad

Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 13 hours ago

If you want to go back and reference or search for something in some conversation you had with someone, you have to spend more cognitive energy trying to figure out which app and which service that conversation took place in. You’ll be lucky if that app even has a functional search, and you can imagine how much cognitive energy you’ll have to spend looking for it."

#AdamZLein, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc

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The smartest messaging method is not a segregated mess of WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, SMS, Slack, Teams, Facebook, Instagram, WeChat, etc.

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 13 hours ago

This sort of (theoretically) avoidable cognitive load is especially taxing for those of us who are neurodivergent, and already experience more load day-to-day than the average neurotypical. Solving the chat app proliferation problem is even more urgent for us.

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 13 hours ago

I agree that a universal open standard for RTC is the ideal solution. But there's a workflow we could try right now, which would at least reduce the cognitive load.

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 12 hours ago

Imagine a fictional app called Thneed that can track my chats in multiple apps, without implementing any C2S protocols internally.

* When I create a Thneed chat, it opens the address book so I can choose a contact, and if I have more than one for them, choose which address to chat with them on.

* Once I've typed a message in that chat and hit send, Thneed opens the default app on my device for the app associated with that address, and forwards the text of my message to that app

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 12 hours ago

* Maybe Thneed could leverage OpenPush in some way to track replies, and create a button in the Thneed chat to open that reply in the correct app?

* Thneed could have a fairly usable search based on something like Fossify Messages, which would allow me to find chats. Searching for either contacts' names or keywords from my own messages (plus any replies that can be pulled in via OpenPush, etc).

Again, it's not the ideal solution. But could be worth a try as a Free Code app?

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Strypey

@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied · 12 hours ago

"Niklas Christl takes the idea of not wasting cognitive energy to a new level and cuts out even more mind clutter by quitting all social media and all extraneous digital entertainment including music. The results are a lot more energy for learning and getting work done."

#AdamZLein, 2022

https://bookofadamz.com/the-smartest-messaging-method-is-not-a-segregated-mess-of-whatsapp-signal-telegram-sms-slack-teams-facebook-instagram-wechat-etc/

Dunno, sounds like workaholism to me (or utilitarianism, which is almost as bad). If he enjoys living like that, all power to him, but it's not my idea of Renaissance life.