Just because we're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after us 🙂
I'm personally not paranoid about Matrix, but still prefer #Jabber. Partially because the former is more or less dominated by a single vendor. Also, because #XMPP is more lightweight. Anyway, whatever is free and federated, is fine with me.
@ Charlotte Aten That's the value of open source. People have noticed security issues in the protocol, and they've been patched.
@ferret I guess I just can't bring myself to trust my communications to a system that was made by people who were investigated for spying on the US for Israel. I hope that I'm just being paranoid, but it can't hurt to be careful these days.
Just because we're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after us 🙂
I'm personally not paranoid about Matrix, but still prefer #Jabber. Partially because the former is more or less dominated by a single vendor. Also, because #XMPP is more lightweight. Anyway, whatever is free and federated, is fine with me.
@ferret are we sure that it's an open standard?
I was under the impression that Matrix was an "open protocol" for decentralised, secure communications "that provided a set of open APIs" for decentralised communication.
Unlike #XMPP which is an actual open #IETF standard with multiple implementations in the form of clients, servers, server components, and code libraries.
@gnemmi @ferret @debacle @caten yup, Matrix is an open standard, despite not being from IETF. Just as XSF is a SDO, so is The Matrix.org Foundation: you can read the open standards process at https://spec.matrix.org/proposals/ and see the wide range of MSCs from many different independent implementors and developers. Gentle reminder that the enemy is centralised surveillance capitalism, not other open source projects… :/
@matrix let's get this clear and right out of the way: I personally never saw an enemy on you. My whole point was dead simple: IETF or not. And that was it. No ulterior motives nor hidden agenda on my part. And I absolutely agree with you in that the enemy is centralized surveillance capitalism, not other open source projects.
Feel free to carefully review all my toots and confirm that I never opposed Matrix being listed as an alternative.
