@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought 🤷 was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry!
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For documentation:
This is the progress of the (still running) alternative Firefox poll after almost 24 hours:
◉ I want AI built into Firefox
◇ 1% (54 votes)
◉ I want AI separated into extensions
◇ 16% (874 votes)
◉ Mozilla should not focus on AI features at all
◇ 84% (4710 votes)
Total votes: 5,638
Link to poll:
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@duke_of_germany/115853330852766984
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
Missing options there.
Not built in but should allow alternatives, yet not focusing.
I quite agree with this reflection https://www.anildash.com/2025/11/14/wanting-not-to-want-ai/
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
Missing options there.
Not built in but should allow alternatives, yet not focusing.
I quite agree with this reflection https://www.anildash.com/2025/11/14/wanting-not-to-want-ai/
@rsn @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante I asked him for a week where all these AI-wanting Firefox users were, several other people did, and he couldn't show a one. So I would treat that essay as criti-hype.
@davidgerard @rsn @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante I think I broadly agree with this.
The pop-up analogy is interesting enough, but the problem with it is that tabs and pop-up blockers are generically useful browser features — they might have been built for the kind of person who uses pop-up laden trash websites, but we all benefit.
I don't really know what Firefox's planning board looks like but I'd bet money there are tickets knocking about at the bottom of some forgotten backlog with names like "improve custom search engines" and "finally do something with that 'sideview' experiment" — dig those out and do them. I bet AI users would love to be able to easily make ChatGPT their default search engine and have it open in a sidebar by default — and the rest of us would doubtless get some utility from those things as well. You can refocus your priorities around a class of user without pivoting the entire company. Putting AI right in the browser is like a headphones company realising people listen to music on the train and instead of improving noise cancellation, building a set of headphones *with an integrated train*.
We're not going to combat Bad AI with Good AI. What on Earth makes anyone at Mozilla think they can make a better AI than Apple managed? It's utter nonsense.
Firefox is a web browser. ChatGPT is a website. They work together just fine out of the box.
@davidgerard @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante
We *might* miss the point thinking like this and be condemned to not see the FF market share rise again, since all people wanting AI probably already moved over to AI browser. Hence not finding them using FF.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want AI. But I don't live alone.
EDIT. I *was an undergraduate students teacher for 2 years* and I can tell the very large majority of the youth use AI, for many many use cases. Even though it's prohibited.
@rsn @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante do any of these uses survive the bubble popping and the VC-subsidised APIs shutting down? I can't think of one
@davidgerard @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante
What about CSS prefixes? They were not intended to last yet they've been implemented and supported.
I'm not trying to be right but to discuss the stakes.
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs sadly it doesn't matter what Firefox users want anymore, overpaid CEOs, focus on AI and other side-software, no focus on the browser. Mozilla really has thrown it all away. I moved on a while back. I'm hoping Servo engine reaches stable release soon and we start seeing real browsers again.
@justin @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs What makes you think the Servo devs won’t make a slopbrowser once it’s time to monetize?
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante Currently I think if someone wants extensions, they could appear, but in first place Mozilla should focus on improving browser itself and left additional things for other time or for third parties. Just setting priorities, I guess they could do some research in their user base opinion and find really most needed features.
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
you might add : I want an "opt-in" button
@Tacitus @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @tante jake's already tried "well what even *is* opt in, it's so impossibly complicated you know"
(it isn't, make it an extension)
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs This is a so much better way to select options. In the survey above you have to read the question, understand the negation, stop, pause, think, process the different options, ...
The second one just asks what should be done (positive) and gives underatandable choices.
Please, let's all make surveys as easy as The Duke did. 🙂
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, and please use clear choices with unambiguous answers. What does "🤷♀️" even mean in the first survey?
- I don't know.
- I don't care.
- I lack sufficient deep knowledge about what AI actually is, though I do get the feeling that it's more than just LLMs, but how would I know? The privacy intrusions and energy sources both used to create LLMs in the first place do *really* bother me, especially in the shadows of Metallica v. Napster and the social inequity that is now used by companies like OpenAI. Also, I want to crawl to bed, eat pizza and pet my cat.
- Something else...
So, dear Firefoxians, what does 🤷♀️ mean in your survey?
@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought 🤷 was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry!
@firefoxwebdevs @jesterchen @duke_of_germany
Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop
https://linuxiac.com/ai-controversy-forces-end-of-mozilla-japanese-sumo-community/
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante
I don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with proper browsing.
@sibrosan @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard@circumstances.run @tante
It's spying on you. All Gen AI is an espionage attack surface for the technofascist state.
You might not notice that ICE and Trump's buddies can look at your web surfing whenever they want.
But you won't see it, so that's okay! 🙃
lol hachyderm won't let you link me
