RE: https://androiddev.social/@MishaalRahman/115849772521760098
It’s worth repeating. Android is not a viable base for an independent or even just collaborative operating system. Android is Google and only Google’s project.
If you want to see an actually transparent, international, and collaborative system on phones, support @postmarketOS
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS What does the release schedule for major releases being 2 times per year instead of the previous 1 time per year or then 4 times per year matter?
PostmarketOS has poor privacy, atrocious security, weak functionality and isn't compatible with most open source mobile apps or mainstream apps. The core development team behind PostmarketOS has extensively participated in harassment of the GrapheneOS team. How is participating in Kiwi Farms harassment collaborative?
@postmarketOS explicitly say they are not consumer-ready.
https://postmarketos.org/state/
I am not advocating for people to install postmarketOS now as a daily driver, I'm advocating for people to support a project that doesn't depend on Android because it is not a viable route for Europeans.
I am happy that @GrapheneOS exists and that it can serve an overlapping audience today.
I'm asking you to please be respectful of other projects, and I will not engage further.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS
> I'm asking you to please be respectful of other projects, and I will not engage further.
You're making highly inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS and disparaging our work. You're claiming it's not viable and dead end. At the same time, you're supporting a project which has numerous core developers and contributors engaging in attacks on GrapheneOS and our team with fabricated stories, bullying and harassment. That includes spreading Kiwi Farms content.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS although I can agree , building mobiles phones with Linux is really too limited right now for common people , we need to keep android full compatibility
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS
"If you want to see an actually transparent, international, and collaborative system on phones, support @postmarketOS "
Which still lacks basic privacy/security patches and privacy/security measures such as modern exploit mitigations, memory-safe languages, robust sandboxing and permissions systems, strict MAC policies, ...
Every current iPhone has by far better security and privacy.
@thibaultamartin are you saying this change makes GrapheneOS not viable? If so, how so?
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS 🤣🤣🤣🤣I already said about this, that all opensource projects needs to work/collaborate together against big tech corporates, otherwise no chance to beat them.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS Yikes, I do not like where they're headed.
However, my bank app and government authentication app will never make a Linux version, nor is this something the community could provide, so it's just not viable for me :(
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS I'm always amazed by how bad the Android ecosystem is considering how good the Linux ecosystem is.
I really don't understand how it happened that there has never been a basic set of tools like file managers, text editors, etc. etc. that are all (of course) free, open-source, and (obviously) ad free.
I mean there's *no* paid/spamware stuff in any distro repositories, but it's *all* there is on Android.
Discovered today the Librem5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
Do they collaborate with @postmarketOS ?
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS
The last time I checked postmarketOS, it was a hacky hobby project not being able to use it on daily base, because almost nothing worked.
And the only usable messenger – if you want to connect with normies – is Signal and because it's the desktop version, it will look weird and UE is bad using desktop versions on mobile devices.
Do you use postmarketOS on a daily base?
@thibaultamartin Would it be possible to make a comunity AOSP hard fork at somem point with it's own store + ecosystem that does not merge any future AOSP code?
Or is that not possible because of licensing, other missing parts, or something else I'm missing?
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS It's the reason I bought a @WeAreFairphone for me and my wife. If Android becomes fully enshittified, there is a high chance postmarketOS will be compatible enough at that time to be a real alternative. I support pmOS with 5€ a month as well. It's nice. It feels like I directly funded the recent call audio work.
@thibaultamartin what is "collaborative" about @postmarketOS? I just don't understand your use of the word. Just talking about SCM?
@travisfw fair question.
@postmarketOS collaborates with (contributors from) other projects (such as systemd, @gnome, @kde) but they also have a pubic and transparent governance process.
It is possible for individuals and projects to step up and contribute. postmarketOS is not developed behind closed doors with an occasional code dump, as opposed to Android.
https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/governance.html
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome @kde okay so yes you're talking about collaborative development, but it sounds like maybe there's some integrations going on too. (I really want someone to help me get a Free mod on my phone. I haven't had the guts to risk bricking.)
@travisfw @thibaultamartin @postmarketOS @gnome @kde
Regards bricking the phone.
I'm flashing my phones on a monthly bases for the last year. I would say the most safe way is to use web flusher from pmos. Just find one of the supported model, open boot loader and web flusher will do the rest of job.
Just my opinion and experience.
@Oleksii much appreciated; I'll look into it!
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS I mean, google's projects aren't even safe to google itself 
I would much love a project like PostmarketOS to take off and become a serious contender to Android.
Right now it's still not there yet (at least in my limited experience), but with how well the developers are making use of the limited budget, and the backing of many great opensource projects, I have no doubt it'll move mountains.
@thibaultamartin @postmarketOS Every developer hour spent on Android forks is a wasted hour that could've been spent contributing to open platforms.
