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mekka okereke :verified:
mekka okereke :verified:
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Um...

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/lord-of-the-rings-jd-vance-elon-musk-politics-b2893472.html

🤡"By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

"Easterlings" The people from the east. Bad guys.🤷🏿‍♂️

"Southrons" The people from the South. Also bad guys. Known for their war elephants. Subtle.🤷🏿‍♂️

"Orcs" Bad guys. Described by Tolkien as, well, just read it in the screenshot.🤷🏿‍♂️

No, it doesn't matter if Tolkien was consciously or subconsciously racist.

He wrote this stuff, and so it should be obvious why the *white* right-wing gravitates towards it.

I mean, I don't think they're suggesting that the right-wing in say, Uganda were big Tolkien fans.🤷🏿‍♂️

The white is silent.

Screenshot:

Tolkien described Orcs as "...squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types"
Screenshot: Tolkien described Orcs as "...squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types"
Screenshot: Tolkien described Orcs as "...squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types"
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Jürgen Hubert
Jürgen Hubert
@juergen_hubert@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke

There has been a microcosm of that debate in #ttrpg / #dnd spaces. A lot of gamers want to move away from the "Designated Bad Guy Races" and portray, say, orcs as people like everyone else.

And predictably, there is a fierce backlash against this from other gamers who claim that "I don't want politics in my gaming!" Which, of course, means that they are comfortable with the politics as they are, and don't want to think about them.

(They also don't want to acknowledge that Gary Gygax, one of the founders of the hobby, was a massive racist and misogynist who baked his assumptions into the game, but that's another story...)

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dungeons-and-dragons-is-shedding-race-in-gaming-heres-why-it-matters/

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crabsoft
crabsoft
@crabsoft@gamerstavern.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@juergen_hubert @mekkaokereke

I ran face-first into this last year, while trying to run a playtest. I used generic evil goblins as loot pinatas and received a 3 hour lecture on my racism. For a game designer who is not so plugged in, what's a good loot pinata in 2026?

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Jürgen Hubert
Jürgen Hubert
@juergen_hubert@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@crabsoft

Evil cultists are good if you want to use sapient opponents, since they _choose_ to be evil.

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Ericka Simone
Ericka Simone
@ErickaSimone@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke oh no. Don’t point this out to them. They can’t even handle Harry Potters racism. lol.

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Osteopenia Powers ,
Osteopenia Powers ,
@Osteopenia_Powers@newsie.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke
Thanks, Mekka!
1. I confess. I really loved LOTR.
2. I’m happy I noticed the white supremacy and the royalism/classism without having them pointed out to me.
3. An entire generation fell in love with Harry Potter before…
4. We’re big kids now. We don’t have to hang on to the popular fiction of our youth. We don’t live in a present that’s inferior to a prior golden age. New authors are creating new inspiring fiction. And much of it works to be free of those encoded hierarchies.

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Legit_Spaghetti
Legit_Spaghetti
@Legit_Spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke

He wrote this stuff, and so it should be obvious why the white right-wing gravitates towards it.

Which also neatly explains why a good segment of online Tolkien fanatics absolutely lost the entirety of their shit when Rings of Power introduced an elf played by a man of color.

Still from the TV show The Rings of Power showing the elf Arondir, played by Ismael Cruz Córdova
Still from the TV show The Rings of Power showing the elf Arondir, played by Ismael Cruz Córdova
Still from the TV show The Rings of Power showing the elf Arondir, played by Ismael Cruz Córdova
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Orion Ussner kidder
Orion Ussner kidder
@OrionKidder@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke I vividly recall pointing all of this out to a group of Tolkien fans on UseNet ~1995. They were incensed.

I didn't say they couldn't read it any more. I didn't even say Tolkien "was" racist. I calmly pointed out these obvious facts of the text, and they lost their damn minds.

There was *one guy* with a Chinese-looking name--Wong or Kang or something like that--who was like, "But I want to hear this!"

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Andy in Indy
Andy in Indy
@naptowncode@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke Russian professor Kirill Yeskov wrote a bootleg LotR novel called "The Last Ringbearer" based on the premise that the story as told by LotR was propaganda and victor's history to justify "the West" conquering and subjugating "the East".

Yeskov calls out the racism in Tolkien's descriptions of other peoples... and then blows the game by making it all into a plot by the Elves who he makes up as thinly disguised fantasy Jews. 🤷‍♂️

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mekka okereke :verified:
mekka okereke :verified:
@mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@naptowncode

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Andy in Indy
Andy in Indy
@naptowncode@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke The hell of it is, Tolkien does specifically mention a "last ringbearer" in an appendix to RotK. The last ringbearer is actually Sam, who at age 102 gives away all his stuff and disappears, presumably to sail away.

You could write a whole book in which Sam first travels to Gondor to see his old buddies but witnesses first-hand the messy post-war reconstruction and how it puts the lie to easy caricatures from LotR. I would read the absolute *shit* out of that book.

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L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ
L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ
@Mabande@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke Yeah, it's very unsurprising they like it, but I'm still a bit amazed that they almost always name their ventures after the things that were clearly stated as evil or tools for evil.

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Projektionsyta
Projektionsyta
@projektionsyta@mastodon.nu replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke

Tolkien grew up in South Africa, IIRC. I've read his works more than once, but have also come to acknowledge that they rest on a racist paradigm (among other things). It's probably more obvious to someone with the experiences of a black American or South African than it was to me when I was a white teenager from Scandinavia.

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Michael Busch
Michael Busch
@michael_w_busch@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@projektionsyta

Checking; Tolkien was born in Bloemfontein, then his family moved to Birmingham when he was three.

But that has little to do with @mekkaokereke 's point.

And I note how many people pointed out the racism Tolkien wrote into The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings at the time.

Even Tolkien acknowledged the problem. But he never did fix it.

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@seq@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke "The white is silent" is an absolutely brilliant phrase! As for the rest, it's depressing that people still need to explain the racist and xenophobic "undertones" that have been obvious for 70 years at this point. But even more depressing that people with power see that work of fiction as some kind of universal truth or guiding light or... I don't even know what to call it. I'm not a fan of this timeline.

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Luke Kanies
Luke Kanies
@lkanies@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke David Brian’s article on Tolkien completely changed my perspective on him:

https://www.salon.com/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/

Once I saw it, I could not unsee it. So racist and discriminatory in so many ways.

Salon.com

J.R.R. Tolkien - enemy of progress - Salon.com

"The Lord of the Rings" is lovingly crafted, seductive -- and profoundly backward-looking. Why not look at things through the Dark Lord's eye for a change?
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demofox
demofox
@demofox@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mekkaokereke when he talked about the "wicked dark men of the east" that made my senses tingle a bit ):

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