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Miguel Afonso Caetano
Miguel Afonso Caetano
@remixtures@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

"Green works on Wall Street as portfolio manager for a half-billion-dollar fund. Most of the readers of his Substack were fellow wealthy finance professionals before his post about the $140,000 poverty line went viral.

He said in an interview that he started calculating the cost of raising a family when thinking about the challenges faced by his three children, who are all working adults in their 20s, and their generational peers.

“This is unfortunately very much the lived experience for people who are trapped in that valley of death,” Green said, the term he applied for when people earn too much to qualify for benefits like food stamps and Medicaid, but too little in his view to afford necessities. He sees that “valley” as being inhabited by people earning between about $40,000 and $100,000, or even more in high-cost areas, he said.

“They are not making enough to really cover the cost of full participation in the economy. An increasing fraction of people are choosing not to get married,” he said. “We’re seeing household formation pushed later and later and later. … It’s telling you the cost of having a traditional [two-parent, two-child] family: That choice is being opted out.”

Green wrote that he “felt sick” when he recently learned how HHS calculates the poverty line: three times the cost of food for a family in 1963, adjusted for inflation every year.

“He is echoing some things that poverty scholars have talked about for quite a while — the official poverty measure being antiquated,” said Christopher Wimer, co-director of Columbia University’s Center on Poverty and Social Policy. “Food in budgets has become a much smaller piece. Housing has gotten much more expensive.”

An HHS spokesman did not respond to inquiries from The Washington Post. By the official measure, 10 percent of Americans were impoverished last year."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/11/29/poverty-line-green/

#USA #Poverty #Inequality #Capitalism #Inflation

#poverty #inflation #usa #inequality #capitalism
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Miguel Afonso Caetano
Miguel Afonso Caetano
@remixtures@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

"Scott Winship, of the Center on Opportunity and Social Mobility at the American Enterprise Institute, calls Green’s blog “The Worst Poverty Analysis I Have Ever Seen”: The Official Poverty Measure is among 48 ways the US defines poverty, none of which purport to be absolute, and has he even heard of Engel’s Law of necessaries spending as a proportion of income moving inversely? Winship posted an update soon after to address any suggestion that he’s a statistics nerd who’d missed the point.

One good thing to come from all this was a discussion around how to gauge prosperity, which can be broadly summarised as vibes over data. For The Diff, Byrne Hobart highlights healthcare as a necessity very few Americans can now afford and speculates that millennials feel poorer than previous generations because their parents tend to be older, so are further along in jobs and careers.

Taking a step back, Dan Davies argues that even bad methodology on wrong numbers will tell us something useful when it’s efficiently channelling public sentiment. Though it’s a stretch to expect much sympathy for a Wall Street Guy lecturing about hardship, the whole scene brings to mind the campaign by author Jack Monroe to highlight so-called grocery price cheapflation, which made economists extraordinarily angry because their data didn’t match her lived experience until it did."

https://ftav.substack.com/p/poverty-and-chips?r=2gv2&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

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