@anildash I would really like an option to not have AI in my software or devices.

@anildash I fear you are largely right.

@anildash then, why not make a separate browser? they won’t gain new users but will lose those of us left, their core users.

@anildash In the current situation of climate emergency, using LLMs and this AI products means hitting our planet.

To me, that's irresponsible and embarrassingly stupid.
Promoting or defending its use is the same, think of the future generations and stop hurting our planet.

#AISlop #climate

@anildash Haven't we seen enough evidence yet that "everyone else is doing the dumb thing so if we don't join in we'll be left behind" is a shortsighted argument? Would also be interested to see any data you have suggesting that people who enthusiastically use AI and want it in the browser are among a majority of browser users.

@anildash I use a desktop LLM separate from the browser. If I wanted anything AI related from a browser it would be to 'a new type of view source' , what websites and content I am viewing came from an LLM (a way to filter content by model)?), the openness of that a model, its training data? ways I could improve it. Firefox can do whatever with AI; but what I personally want is to have control and influence not another way to passively consume and hope for the best.

@anildash Sure. But where are they to find them?

@anildash try #Lumo from #Proton. i use it sparingly & support wikipedia first for instance, as a first option. for very complex questions i use lumo, & turn all other #AI off in my browsers. as with everything, you need to have your moral compass out before you make a decision to use a service or buy a product. do AI have morals yet?

By all means, use Firefox and don't use AI. I don't give a damn about that, that's great. But think about this question deeply: What browser do you want your friends and family to use when they're using AI tools? We told people "social media from big companies is bad, get on Mastodon and Bluesky". And that works — provide useful alternatives. But if we simply say "stop using this thing you find useful, and I won't give you any alternatives", they'll just ignore us. And Big AI will win.