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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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GutterPoetry
GutterPoetry
@GutterPoetry@mastodon.me.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 minutes ago

@cstross

There would be more kids left disabled or permanently harmed from these diseases, even if they did survive.

I've heard these 'common sense' views before but they're unscientific - the immune system doesn't get stronger from exposure to disease. It doesn't need to be exercised.

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David Scott Moyer
David Scott Moyer
@farbel@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 25 minutes ago

@cstross Trump is already the most prolific mass-murderer in history. They should give him an award. Something like a golden swaztika.

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MyrddinEmerys  🍁🍂🍁
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@MyrddinEmerys@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 26 minutes ago

@cstross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)

Considering he died not that long ago means there are polio survivors probably still floating around, so it isn’t that long ago polio was killing people. I also remember my mom talking about her mom taking them and standing in line for the vaccine when it came out because she knew how deadly it was.

Paul Alexander (polio survivor) - Wikipedia

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Preston MacDougall
Preston MacDougall
@ChemicalEyeGuy@mstdn.science replied  ·  activity timestamp 30 minutes ago

@cstross Good time to remind Brits that while the K in #RFK Jr. still stand for Kennedy, the RF now stands for ‘Rat Fucker’.

#Resist #kakistocracy in #USpol.

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Petra van Cronenburg
Petra van Cronenburg
@NatureMC@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@cstross pure fascist #eugenics! And the horror: He has a lot of fans in Europe, too!

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Stephen Darlington
Stephen Darlington
@sdarlington@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@cstross …and infant mortality is already much higher in the US than in any other comparable country.

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Thumptastic3
Thumptastic3
@Thumptastic3@mstdn.plus replied  ·  activity timestamp 1 hour ago

@cstross We improve with education. Our breed is HUMAN. UGH!!! People can be so evil! We are one species, on race.

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George B
George B
@gbargoud@masto.nyc replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross

I have this picture saved to my phone for just that reason

Child mortality rate graph in the US going from 45% dead before 5 years of age in 1800 to about 0.1% in 2020

Source is listed as UN DESA
Child mortality rate graph in the US going from 45% dead before 5 years of age in 1800 to about 0.1% in 2020 Source is listed as UN DESA
Child mortality rate graph in the US going from 45% dead before 5 years of age in 1800 to about 0.1% in 2020 Source is listed as UN DESA
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Madeleine Morris
Madeleine Morris
@Remittancegirl@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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axel.
axel.
@axeln@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross Not to put a too fine point on that, but people in iron lungs also don’t breed easily.

Pure eugenics.

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Infoseepage
Infoseepage
@Infoseepage@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up bereft parents.

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Bruno Nicoletti
Bruno Nicoletti
@bjn@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross @lauren They could just go full Spartan and leave new borns out overnight so that only the “strongest” survive.

(Note, this is not a good idea on so many levels).

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Paul Walker
Paul Walker
@arafel@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 43 minutes ago

@bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinated, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 39 minutes ago

@arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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Paul Walker
Paul Walker
@arafel@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 36 minutes ago

@cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

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Bart Schuller
Bart Schuller
@bart@smop.fyi replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@cstross That means they’ll need even more white babies. Don’t these people talk to each other?

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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@bart Not to worry, Project 2025 is promising "marriage boot camps" for young white folks, along with subsidies for childbearing and obstacles to divorce. (Facepalm.)

They really *are* intent on taking the USA back to the 50s—the 1850s, that is, not the 1950s.

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