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Mensch, Marina

@energisch_@troet.cafe replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup how about help sites with health issues, is that blocked as well? @JamesBaker

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@shoppingtonz@mastodon.social replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup @JamesBaker

Is the fediverse too small and how will this law apply to (#)ActivityPub?

Imagine the government going "well, to continue hosting your Mastodon instance in the UK you must de-federate with x instance and y instance both of which are on our blacklist)

#fediverse #ActivityPub #speculation

Fluffy Kitty Cat

@fluffykittycat@furry.engineer replied · 6 months ago

@shoppingtonz @openrightsgroup @JamesBaker the UK should simply be struck off the list of places to host. We should probably identify a few data Haven countries who stand for freedom

Sebastian Lasse

@sl007@digitalcourage.social replied · 6 months ago

@shoppingtonz @openrightsgroup @JamesBaker

Last is a good question.
[Invited EU expert for "federating systems" in DMA/DSA ensured it does not happen in the EU, UK: want you back for good ;)]

James Baker

@JamesBaker@social.openrightsgroup.org replied · 6 months ago

@shoppingtonz @openrightsgroup I think the answer is yes in theory Ofcom could consider the owner of the instance responsible for any content that comes via their node. If you host or moderate a Mastodon instance in the UK, you may need to:

- Document moderation policies
- Implement a way to report illegal content
- Proactively de-federate with high-risk instances
- Possibly age-gate content or profiles if minors are involved

James Baker

@JamesBaker@social.openrightsgroup.org replied · 6 months ago

@shoppingtonz @openrightsgroup But the responsibilities of the act do scale with size but smaller low-risk services still have duties for illegal content and protecting children. I don’t know who’s done the best analysis of impact on fediverse @jim @neil might know a good summary?

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@JamieR@toot.wales replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup @JamesBaker as I said elsewhere yesterday - my 20yo daughter (admittedly a tech nerd) reeled off 5 ways she circumvents this without even pausing for breath. I hardly think the ‘predators’ are going to break too much of a sweat. #useless

Open Rights Group

@openrightsgroup@social.openrightsgroup.org replied · 6 months ago

Teens are left in the dark when it comes to getting support or news online.

Adults have to stay in the soft play area unless they scatter their ID or biometrics across the Internet.

The UK Online Safety Act is a shoddy, dangerous law.

Tell your MP it’s gotta change ⬇️

https://action.openrightsgroup.org/tell-your-mp-online-safety-act-isn%E2%80%99t-working

#onlinesafetyact #onlinesafety #ageverification #privacy #dataprotection #ukpolitics #ukpol #agegating #censorship #freeexpression

Mihaela Filipescu

@mamapanda@zirk.us replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup
My MP is useless
A protejee of KS

Nick Drage

@SonOfSunTzu@mastodon.social replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup I love the phrase "soft play area", great analogy, thank you.

Caro S.

@Heidentweet@todon.eu replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup It's absolutely not shoddy, because it was never meant to protect children in the first place. So many experts have pointed this out. This is a willful censorship law, it should go completely.

#UKpol #OnlineSafetyAct #censorship

Jim Killock

@jim@social.openrightsgroup.org replied · 6 months ago

@Heidentweet @openrightsgroup from my own perspective, there was just an inability of anyone to hear that there were going to be problems. Now the same voices are saying the problems are about implementation, or platforms over-reaching

Caro S.

@Heidentweet@todon.eu replied · 6 months ago

@jim @openrightsgroup That could very well be the case. I read in a political science book about Dutch Parliament that higher educated people in politics/government have a very strong tendency to rationalise their decisions in the face of very legitimate criticism. However, that's still not an excuse, IMO. We all should look more at what a bill does as the intention, instead of what the people responsible say it will, who doesn't implement it right, etc. Where are they getting paid for otherwise?

Besides, the American War on Drugs and No Child Left Behind laws are very good examples of "the real agenda is what the law does."

Graham Smith

@cyberleagle@mastodon.social replied · 6 months ago

@Heidentweet @jim @openrightsgroup Inability or unwillingness? What would it profit a Parliamentarian who had invested substantial political capital in the project to look behind the label on the tin and discover a can of worms? There was no shortage of people pointing out the design defects in the Bill.

And when it all goes horribly wrong, blame the platforms, blame the regulator; then claim that this was only ever a trial run and we always knew we would need OSA v2.

Caro S.

@Heidentweet@todon.eu replied · 6 months ago

@jim @openrightsgroup That could very well be the case. I read in a political science book about Dutch Parliament that higher educated people in politics/government have a very strong tendency to rationalise their decisions in the face of very legitimate criticism. However, that's still not an excuse, IMO. We all should look more at what a bill does as the intention, instead of what the people responsible say it will, who doesn't implement it right, etc. Where are they getting paid for otherwise?

Besides, the American War on Drugs and No Child Left Behind policies are very good examples of the real agenda behind the words.

Caro S.

@Heidentweet@todon.eu replied · 6 months ago

@jim @openrightsgroup That could very well be the case. I read in a political science book about Dutch Parliament that higher educated people in politics/government have a very strong tendency to rationalise their decisions in the face of very legitimate criticism. However, that's still not an excuse, IMO. We all should look more at what a bill does as the intention, instead of what the people responsible say it will, who doesn't implement it right, etc. Where are they getting paid for otherwise?

Besides, the American War on Drugs and No Child Left Behind policies are very good examples of the real agenda behind the talk.

Caro S.

@Heidentweet@todon.eu replied · 6 months ago

@openrightsgroup It's absolutely not shoddy, because it was never meant to protect children in the first place. This is a willful censorship law. That's why asking for regulation of these ID companies is still a step towards censorship acceptance, IMO.

#UKpol #OnlineSafetyAct #censorship