@eff This ain’t it, chief.

@eff

Another corrupted organization showing their ass.

@eff what's wrong with you?

@eff Hell fucking NO.

@eff you’re supposed to be an organisation that stands up for our digital rights. Our rights include not having work taken wholesale and regurgitated by for profit companies without proper licensing and proper attribution - in most cases actually even costing us money as these bots steal bandwidth meant for humans.

@eff Tell me you don’t understand anything about copyright in 5 lines or less.

@eff can you elaborate what this means for "clean room" implementations? Just running it through an LLM would follow the same logic? (honest question; haven't seen rulings/opinions/news about this)

@eff Your CIA is showing

@eff Fuck me. We really needed you on our side regarding this. Terrible, worst approach possible from the EFF.

@eff oh dear!

@eff

@eff Saw this coming. EFF has been on Big Tech's side for every issue except surveillance capitalism and censorship.

Well, this sucks. Thanks for siding with fascism, EFF. I'd suggest abandoning Open Source Software as a cause of yours as well as the Creative Commons, because if AI is going to have your backing, you can't support either of those. (You have lawyers, you should know why.)

@eff you've got to be kidding?

@eff did a LLM write this? fucks sake

@eff
IANAL but to me it's pretty clear that genAI ouput directly competes with the original works the models were trained on. How the hell is that fair use?

@eff a horrible opinion that screws creators. Unbelievable that you would not only support mass copyright infringement, but seemingly with enthusiasm. You've officially helped tip the scales in favor of billionaire robber barons and likely alienated a large percentage of your supporters.

Are you counting on large donations from the supremely entitled, inhuman, hoarding scumbags?

@eff no

@eff Disappointing. Does standing up for AI really align with your mission of defending privacy and free speech online?

@eff what the fuck, EFF, what did you smoke? This is awful.

I hate this world.

@eff what the fuck is this

@eff alright, who shat in your brain?

@eff
So which AI model has escaped it sandbox now and hacked your account?

@eff Oops, no more donations from me

@eff Maybe these stupid #AI #Clankers can stop this stupid #DDoS attack on my server then?

If you have taken this hypocritical take on copyright, then you need to get your head out of you're ass, because if I did the same thing these companies are doing, I'd be sued into hell for it.

Translation: Someone at the #EFF is definitely getting fired over this stupid post.

@eff I fart in your general direction.

@eff Oh, that's disappointing.

@eff are you serious? You guys are compromised.

@eff did the EFF change on this? 😳

@eff EFF thinks they are so galaxy brained in their own heads they espouse a truely stupid take on AI.

@eff this is a shit position and you should be ashamed.

@eff No sane person loves transformative work that boils the ocean and makes hardware and electricity expensive

@eff 😫 It's really not.

@eff I'm surprised you're bragging about your staff attorney's boneheaded comment.

P.S. What are you patting yourself on the back for? Having a your staff attorney quoted in an article? I used to think EFF was cool but shameless self promotion is the opposite of cool. It's lame and gross.

@eff Even if creating a generative model is transformative, selling the use of one as a for-profit service to undercut creative artists is preventing the kind of creation that copyright was intended to foster.

But since the generation of statistically similar outputs ensures that the further-derived generated outputs are minimally transformative of the sources, it’s misleading to describe the model itself as transformative.

These services should be required to license their sources.

@eff Well, that is the end of me supporting your apparently traitorous org.

Get the fuck out of here EFF with this take.

@eff I did NOT expect this from you. Please reconsider.

@eff this really is a disappointing, "not donating again"-level of take

@eff yooooo this sucks

i mean, completely unsurprising from y’all at this point, but regardless. sucks. big sucks. sucks shit.

@eff oh boy

@eff

I remain unconvinced.

As a layperson, I’ve been told that the point of copyright has been to make sure the writer and their publisher can earn a livelihood, so they may live to write another days

I know if I were to consistently copy or distribute copyrighted articles in such a way that it affects these companies bottom line to the point where they downsize, they’d come for me with an arsenal of lawyers.

So there are consequences for us small people.

But along comes OpenAI and the gang, and because they transform these copyrighted works into a model, it’s suddenly alright if they don’t license it even though they actually replace a whole numbers of writers?

That doesn’t add up to me.

I don’t buy the hand waving in this article about “it’s not replacing jobs” either. It shouldn’t, but it does, right now, because management isn’t always smart.

I think copyright is flawed and a bandaid for a not-working economic system, but you can’t rip off the bandaid before you fixed the system.

So that’s a no from me.

@eff bye

@eff This is a profoundly disappointing take by the EFF.

@eff
What
The
Fuck

I'm stunned. This is the last organization I expected to take a stance against individuals and placate to the authoritarians.

@eff This is NOT all that is going on, EFF account-minder, and I reject your softened and euphemized framing of this issue. This isn't about "training" or "transformation" or any positive purpose, it's about capturing and destroying information, grabbing the books and other works and stuffing them into the machine and then making sure nobody else can use the stuff for their own rackets.

This is a fraud. The entire #tech sector is consecrated to CHEATING. You can't honestly say that there's a positive "transformative" purpose in the GenAI obsession.

There's no reason at all at work. Their thing isn't an "AGI superintelligence" and they know it. When do we stop pretending that this is just kind-hearted software engineers wanting to change the world? They exist, but not anywhere powerful in U.S. business or technology.

@eff oh, AI is transformative alright. it's transforming earth into a hellscape even faster than it already was.

who has access to everything they stole, anyway? if their stolen shit leaked, who would get in trouble? no one?

@eff Burn in hell, you fascist backstabbers.

@eff regurgitating content in a statistically probable manner is not transformation. Transformation requires intent.
Robut has no intent.
There is case law on this already.
Please unfuck yourselves.

@eff Like #ACLU I dont always agree with #EFF. But your argument is extremely harmful to creators. As a loooong time donor and supporter, I am very disappointed in your tech bro advocacy here.