alcoholic trying to get sober after a relapse tells Google's "Health Coach" about it.
it tells them to drink every hour and messages them to make sure they're drinking as soon as they wake up.
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@molly0xfff This does not pass the smell test to me. "If you want to get dry, start by drinking more alcohol" is such obviously bad advice that anybody - especially someone with a history of trying to quit - would recognize it as bullshit immediately.
@molly0xfff That's exactly the type of advice I get from long term alcoholics.
@molly0xfff I realise that thus thread is about AI , but if someone was indeed needing help to stop drinking, I've been using an app called TryDry® see https://alcoholchange.org.uk/about-us/about-our-charity/who-we-are
Not just an app, but also a whole range of advice an local support. Sorry this is UK based, but could help you anyway...
@molly0xfff They definitely need to reach out to their local alcohol team for support as alcohol withdrawal effects can be pretty scary.
I don't know why I'm surprised again and again by how terrible AI is unchecked. I'm glad they deleted it and reached out to some humans who I really hope are not reddit bots.
@molly0xfff Next thing #Google is offering discount codes for #subscription-based #PillReminder - #Apps to #Opioid #addicts, I guess…
- DID THEY EVER TESTED THEIR SHITE!??
@molly0xfff I'm staying to think that the idiots who use this crap deserve what they get, I just wish that their horrendous choices didn't impact the rest of us.
Also "AI" "Health Coach"? What kind of evil capitalist creates something like that?
I would prefer to live in a society where, if a product is marketed for purpose X and someone uses it for purpose X, they can have a reasonable expectation that it actually works (or, at an absolute minimum, is not actively harmful for X), without having to research the underlying technology involved in implementing the product.
@david_chisnall @molly0xfff Sure, but at the same time, if you buy a stick of dynamite that's marketed as a suppository laxative, you shouldn't need to be told not to stick it up your ass and light it. I agree that there should definitely be regulation that makes sure that the marketing accurately describes the product, but we now live in a world where "AI" is marketed for everything despite it being good at almost nothing. The marketplace of "AI" is ruled by the principle of caveat emptor.
@StarkRG @david_chisnall @molly0xfff in this specific hypothetical, society would definitely put the person selling dynamite sticks in prison immediately and keep them there.
@0x2ba22e11 @StarkRG @molly0xfff
The other place the analogy falls down is that pretty much everyone knows what dynamite is. They know what it does[1] and why using lighted dynamite as a suppository is probably a bad idea. In contrast, AI marketing is deliberately confusing. It takes a meaningless word that has science fiction connotations and attaches it to technology that does not have the properties that the science fiction embodiments did. It is a marketing term that is deliberately designed to confuse.
Imagine, instead, that a well-funded industry had marketed the term 'Blockage Clearance' (BC) for a massive range of activities including excavation, sink cleaning, and constipation. And then someone sells a Constipation BC™ product which is a stick of dynamite that you use as a suppository. The seller is a well-known brand and the product is on the market for a while without being withdrawn or the sellers prosecuted. Would you expect a normal person to realise that using it is a bad idea? Or would you expect the legal system to act?
[1] Though, interestingly, dynamite is stabilised nitroglycerine, and another form of stabilised nitroglycerine is sold as a heart medication and is quite effective.
@david_chisnall @0x2ba22e11 @molly0xfff Sure, and if your only source of information is marketing and press releases, then you probably have an extremely skewed idea of reality and you're probably being taken advantage of left, right, and centre.
@StarkRG @0x2ba22e11 @molly0xfff
You may not get an ideal product, but I can't think of anything else where you can go to the store for products of category X, browse from a bunch of well-known brands, and then buy a thing for category X and not get something that at least mostly works as you would expect a thing of category X to work. Certainly not medical things, which are strictly regulated. Dietary supplements, maybe, where the claims are always weasel words to hide the fact that they don't work. But if someone went into a vacuum-cleaner shop and bought a vacuum cleaner from a massive multinational brand, then came home to discover that it didn't actually work as a vacuum cleaner and instead sprayed dye all over their carpets, I'd place 100% of the blame with the vendor.
I don't know why you are so intent on shifting blame to the victims of a trillion dollar company's misleading advertising and away from the company.
@david_chisnall @0x2ba22e11 @molly0xfff Health insurance? Cigarettes? Self help books? Almost anything marketed by youtubers?
I'm not shifting blame, but I'm also not absolving anyone of the consequences of their actions either. If their actions only hurt themselves, I'd feel sorry for them, if their actions hurt the people around them, I'd feel a little less sorry for them, but when their actions hurt everyone, I'm much less sympathetic.
@StarkRG @0x2ba22e11 @molly0xfff
Health insurance?
Heavily regulated, comes with a long and detailed list of exactly what's covered. Mine came with a book specifically listing exemptions and pointing to their failure to put things there has always caused them to pay up.
Cigarettes?
By law, contains a health warning saying it will kill you. Does exactly what the health warning promises.
Self help books?
Maybe. Though they rarely make strong claims about what they're doing. If they give medical advice, that's usually illegal. And they rarely come from big brands.
Almost anything marketed by youtubers?
Not looked at YouTube for years, so I've no idea what this encompasses. How many of them are selling goods from reputable brands that don't work as advertised?
Note: I have specifically confined myself in this thread to talking about things from well-known brands. Google is a trillion dollar company. They are not some fly-by-night operator. The product they're selling has a clear connection back to a provider that is trusted as a government supplier in a load of the world. This isn't some random thing that you get in a back alley, this is a product that one of the largest companies in the world has put its name against. And it doesn't work at all for the purpose for which sold. That's been illegal in the UK for longer than I've been alive (1979 Sale of Goods Act). I don't know where you live, but I assume most civilised places have similar laws. If you buy from some dodgy guy in a back alley, you won't get these protections because you won't be able to find him to enforce them, but if you buy from a legitimate business then you should be able to.
@molly0xfff AI takes the risks associated with delirium tremens too seriously
@molly0xfff ”It’s just an early release. The next model will have fixed this, we promise!!”
@molly0xfff People who are addicted to benzodiazepines, alcohol, and barbiturates cannot abruptly stop - something I know from my own experience. If this person is drinking 2 fifths a day like Gerald Ford, then that might explain the advice from the AI.
@molly0xfff Realism drives to darkness
@molly0xfff ai is made for general help like in exams or paperwork (but don't abuse it and check the stuff the ai made and see it's right or not)
NOW, there's a big Problem here.
@molly0xfff the second-best thing about this post, other than adding to my citable cases of how unsuited LLM-stuff is for anyone to access (let alone pin world economies on), is that it gave me a whole bunch of people to block and never have to worry about interacting with ever again
...yay?
