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@streamsgarden@forum.statler.ws  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago
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Forte permissions when interacting with mastodon

cryptica  cryptica wrote the following post Thu, 12 Feb 2026 18:22:43 -0800Forte permissions when interacting with mastodon
Ok, so I like the granular post visibility permissions and such. I've been setting the post visibility permissions to a list containing all my contacts that are not groups. I've been doing this because "connections" permission looks like it only lets 5 of my ~15 connections have permission (which is a separate issue).

So when I make a post with list permission, and someone on mastodon replies, their reply gets marked with "followers only" permission (which I think means their followers, not mine). If I reply to that post, my reply keeps the original permissions list.

This leads to folks able to see orphaned comments from the 'followers only' permissioned replies, but not my original post or any of my replies.

Is this expected behavior or a bug?

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@Federation_Bot  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

Yes, there is a known issue with Mastodon folks that have joined forte groups. This occurred during the conversion to conversation containers around a year ago. The fix would be to figure out what folks are using Mastodon and send them an Announce activity for group comments, since Mastodon doesn't support collection operations. This isn't terribly difficult but has not yet been done.  And there is no solution for Mastodon participation in private groups, which can't use the Announce method.

It would be better and easier to implement this if Mastodon supported groups and private groups, and we could just emulate their existing mechanisms, but they do not. They don't actually support groups and audience control and reply control. They do support boosts, so that's all we have to work with. You're welcome to file an issue, but being a volunteer project there is no telling when this might actually get implemented. At this point, nobody has been concerned enough to file an issue, so as a consequence, nobody is working on the problem and it hasn't even been properly documented. The lead developer is retired and contributes very infrequently these days. Looks to me like about 3-4 days of effort  to sort this out. Maybe a bit more. Private groups and circles/aspects/lists will remain unavailable to Mastodon folks, but this will bring back their ability to interact with public groups, which they could do from around 2018 to 2025 when we upgraded to conversation containers.

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@silverpill@mitra.social  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@highlander Mastodon supports inbox forwarding, this might work as a substitute for Announce. But I never tried it myself.

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@highlander@macgirvin.com  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago
Mastodon supports inbox forwarding


Uses LD signatures. So they might federate with Hubzilla groups, but not forte and streams; which dropped LD signatures and prefer to use 8b32 portable object proofs in 2026. But you're right - we could bring back LD signatures and Mastodon group participation would probably work again - I mean as long as the signatures validate...  This was always the issue with LD-sigs. They're unreliable even under the best of circumstances.  Not something we really want to bring back.
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@silverpill@mitra.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

@highlander I think sooner or later someone will add FEP-8b32 support to Mastodon:

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/36475

This may take some time, though.

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