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@Edent I'm much in the same boat with similar intentions so no real world experience yet.
I've got my eye on a couple of Heltec v4 devboards. v4 because they support gnss which is interesting for a few 'fun' use cases I have with friends and while it seems Meshcore is the way to go in NL as its more widely used, I understand incan switch to meshtastic pretty easily using same hardware.
Heltec appear to have decent shipping methods from their own site but I've seen similar if not exactly the same ones on usual suspect large online retail shopfronts.
@Edent I've so far stuck to meshtastic because it seems more, well, meshy. My use case doesn't include joining a wider local mesh so it's exactly what I need.
If you're usecase is joining a wider local mesh then you have to go with the (local) crowd, which you'll probably need a non-mesh network to find out about. Probably Facebook but who knows!
I'm currently using Sensecap and RAK card devices which work pretty well.
@Edent MC is good for a pretty much static infrastructure if you have reliable and stable repeaters and want to reach long distances. MT is better for ad-hoc networks for a limited area (a town or an event for example) where you can't rely on semi-permanent repeaters.
@Edent Keep in mind that many hardware devices could run #meshcore as well as #meshtastic. So you could try one mesh and still switch if you revise your decision.
@Edent This is nice example of situation where I'd like to have out-of-band comms: https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1qd2z97/mestastic_on_family_cruise_worked_great_for/
@Edent Of course there are technical details that could be considered when chosing between #meshcore and #meshtastic. My opinion is: If you want to communicate or use it for emergency, check what the majority in your area is using.
Even if you chose the best technology, its not much worth if you're the only one 😀
@Edent @vaurora posted something good recently, apologies if you've already seen https://mstdn.social/@vaurora/115904345026660329
(and appears to be giving a talk, hope that one makes it online at some point https://mstdn.social/@vaurora/115915322997911336 )
@Edent my experience from the Berlin mesh. the berlin meshtastic network is overcrowded with badly positioned devices and the routing algorithm essentially passes messages into sinkholes. Reschability snd reliability are bad not despite but because of the many devices. Default forwarding off and limiting it to tower/rooftop locations would probably be better than every device meshing. 1/2
@Edent Someone more experienced than me will corroborate or correct me, I'm sure, but I also heard that Meshtastic also only sends and receives signals in one direction rather than 360° like Meshcore and radio.
@Edent For me it has been Meshtastic. I am not building city wide infrastructure. I need close proximity communication with self forming. And meshcore is not fully open.
@resiliencetheatre ha! I've just had someone say go with MeshCore because Meshtastic isn't fully open 😆
@Edent I believe firmware is GPLv3 for Meshtastic. Tricky topic agree, but some features were paid only on Meshcore?
@Edent I've been looking recently too, and found it confusing.
I wanted a device I could leave in my loft and control with a phone, but also take around to (hopefully) EMFCamp.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0F1CYWVLC?psc=1
I'm planning on getting this pair to split with my dad who lives a few miles away and see how it goes.
I found meshmap.net useful for seeing what was nearby.
@Edent In the UK I went with MeshCore as the network is busier and has more chatter. Mesttastic feels a bit dead (in my area).
I would hesitate to consider it for emergency use. I guess if there is nothing else, but it feels like there are other alternatives (e.g. just using a basic radio for voice) that would be better.
It is fun though.
@dan ta! Mind if I ask what kit you're using?
@Edent @dan I use Meshcore in The Netherlands because it’s a much more community and network, I started with two Heltec v3’s that are USB powered and affordable, as most nodes they support both MT and MC. One is a repeater the other a companion, later I added an additional companion that is battery powered and mobile (Sensecap T1000-E). Initially I didn’t get much response on either, so I added a large external antenna.
@Edent In the loft running as a relay:
Heltec V3 from Amazon
Case from Etsy that looks 3D printed
Antenna from ThePiHut (https://thepihut.com/products/lora-antenna-with-pigtail-868mhz-black)
Powered using PoE over ethernet plugged into a PoE to USB-C splitter. No networking over the ethernet, just a way to get power into the loft.
Client device is a T1000-E (https://thepihut.com/products/sensecap-card-tracker-t1000-e-for-meshtastic) connected over bluetooth to my iPhone.
The firmware running on the relay is super stable. The T1000-E firmware is not as stable and I often have to reboot it every 2 or so days.
@Edent Meshcore.
It actually works;
It is actually open, does not belong to branding fanatics.
@krahabors thanks. Any particular device you recommend?
@Edent @krahabors you have devices aimed at running of grid as a repeater. Then you need a low power device. heltec t114
If you have a device on constant USB power, or battery that should last a day heltecv3 or v4 are fine.
@Edent meshcore -> better for highly congested city centres. Meshtastic -> better for long range rural
@boxly which one do you use?
@Edent I mainly use meshtastic, I'm out in the countryside so being able to bounce off more repeaters is beneficial. The good thing is though that most hardware will run both, you can refresh via usb webserial in seconds. I'm building a meshtastic hexpansion for EMF this year too hopefully!
@boxly I'd be very interested in chatting at EMF 🙂