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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

Hey @fediforum when I clicked on the link you just sent me in the email you just sent about your un-workshop on "Growing the Open Social Web" my email client warned me that it was a tracking link.

As I said last year,

"The "Open Social Web" is a term surveillance capitalism companies and their friends have been using since at least 2008 either as a synonym for "the Fediverse" or "the fediverses". FediForum used to be about "the Fediverse", and I'm not quite sure when they changed their focus."

Thanks for providing such a great example of the surveillance capitalism-friendly nature of so many supporters of the "Open Social Web"!

By contrast, a long-standing #fediverse value is the critique of openness. I don't know how many of you were here in 2020, but that's when the outstanding Seven Theses On The Fediverse And The Becoming Of Floss was published, and it's got an excellent section on that. Please read it!

@general

#fediverse #openSocialWeb #FediForum

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@julian@activitypub.space  ·  activity timestamp last month

Re: Hey @fediforum when I clicked on the link you just sent me in the email you just sent about your un-workshop on "Growing the Open Social Web" my email client warned me that it was a tracking link.

@jdp23@neuromatch.social said in Hey @fediforum when I clicked on the link you just sent me in the email you just sent about your un-workshop on "Growing the Open Social Web" my email client warned me that it was a tracking link.:

Thanks for providing such a great example of the surveillance capitalism-friendly nature of so many supporters of the "Open Social Web"!

Why would you assume malice?

Email tracking links are shoved in everything, especially when you use a third party MTA like SendGrid or Mailgun.

Ironically, using one is all but required because of the state of spam in email.

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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@julian I'm not assuming malice. I'm letting them know that they're sent me a link my email cient warned me about. It's quite possible they just didn't bother to disable the tracking link- from looking at the headers, they seem to be using CampaignMail Lite and it's not clear to me from a quick look what the default is.

And no it's not actually the case it is "all but required" to have links like "https://veapdq.clicks.mlsend.com/ty/cl/eyJ2Ijoie1wiYVwiOjEyODgxNTAsXCJsXCI6MTc3NzY2NTY5OTg2NzU0MDY2LFwiclwiOjE3Nzc2NjU4MTY4MDQ3NDA3MX0iLCJzIjoiMmQ0ODdmYzkyMGRkYjU4NiJ9" instead of a straightforward link to the fediforum page on the fediforum.

Links like that are for tracking, period, the end.

FediForum

FediForum | Growing the Open Social Web:
An Online FediForum Un-Workshop

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@julian@activitypub.space  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

Re: Hey @fediforum when I clicked on the link you just sent me in the email you just sent about your un-workshop on "Growing the Open Social Web" my email client warned me that it was a tracking link.

@jdp23@neuromatch.social I mean, using an MTA is required, not the tracking link.

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@julian@fietkau.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

@julian@activitypub.space @jdp23 According to https://mastodon.social/@fediforum/115968601031834804 they apparently had it disabled. Maybe “not tracking” is a paid feature at Campaign Mail? I don't know much about that whole ecosystem.

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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

Thanks @julian@fietkau.social !
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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

Thanks @julian@fietkau.social !
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@fromjason@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@jdp23 thanks for the heads up and the read!

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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

It's a great read! Really captures the values and sense of possibilities of fedi at the time. @rra is still active here, not so sure about the co-author Aymeric Mansoux.

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@fromjason@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@jdp23 I really struggle with wrapping my head around FOSS ideology, no offense to them. I have a few FOSS mutuals and they're cool and great. But then I hear some FOSS folks talk about software like a communist would, but politically they're the opposite. I don't understand it.

These essays are helping a bit. Reading the rest on my lunch. So thanks again for the share

@rra

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@rra@post.lurk.org  ·  activity timestamp last month

@jdp23 @fromjason Thanks! Aymeric is definitely active here ( @320x200) and, even better, recently wrote what I'd consider an excellent follow-up on post-floss and the dead-end of digital commons: https://post.lurk.org/@320x200/115587531283136584

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@fromjason@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@rra I got some reading to do. Thanks for the share!

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@jdp23@neuromatch.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

Indeed, thanks much @rra -- and my apologies @320x200!

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