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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@kkarhan Cool, that's your choice. Meanwhile, people are making other choices.

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gary
gary
@gary_alderson@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb developers have no idea what they are doing half the time that is why they walk the fine line between being developers and common folk

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Hendrik Weimer
Hendrik Weimer
@hweimer@fediscience.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb

I don't know. If you take the spec of whenwords as a benchmark, it looks much more complex than what you would code in the programming language of your choice. And it has clearly been written by someone who has very good programming skills to avoid the myriad of pitfalls associated with blindly using LLMs.

So, it seems that this doesn't help expert programmers (writing specs is less efficient than writing code) and it does neither help non-programmers (they don't know how to write useful specs).

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@hweimer The point I'm trying to make is exactly that the hard part is the mental model, care, maintenance, and everything else. Just because you generate code doesn't mean you have a sustainable system.

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Jonathan Schofield
Jonathan Schofield
@urlyman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb same pattern as expressed by @pluralistic

https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115685951349475474

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@urlyman @pluralistic Well, ish

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Jonathan Schofield
Jonathan Schofield
@urlyman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb
what’s the difference?

- increase automation
- reduce human overheads
- hold the remaining humans accountable

@pluralistic

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@urlyman @pluralistic Oh sorry, I just read the last post in the thread. Yes.

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@urlyman @pluralistic Oh sorry, I just read the last post in the thread. Yes.

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@urlyman @pluralistic Well, ish

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Coach Pāṇini ®
Coach Pāṇini ®
@paninid@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb @koen_hufkens

When code is cheap, #brand has value

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Ben Curthoys
Ben Curthoys
@bencurthoys@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb

"Using an LLM instead of learning to code is a terrible idea. But using an LLM to help you learn to code is great."

https://www.quora.com/Is-ChatGPT-coding-trustable/answer/Ben-Curthoys

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@bencurthoys Yeah, my version of that is using how to use Docker over the holidays by having an LLM on hand (rather than sarcastic Stack Overflow devs)

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Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:
@kkarhan@infosec.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb I'll refuse to use, accept, review or even consider " #AI" bullshit if any kind, espechally " #AIslop" in any systems.

  • This stuff is unauditable and I expect to be able to point out responsibilities whenever someone pushes shit.
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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@kkarhan Cool, that's your choice. Meanwhile, people are making other choices.

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Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:
@kkarhan@infosec.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb it's okay to be wrong m8.

  • The problem with #AIslop and " #VibeCode|d" bs is that this directly harms others, including myself.

If you what to try something on yourself that's your thing, but don't force me (or anyone else) to suffer from #HypeBasedDevelopment!

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@kkarhan Looking forward to you re-reading what I actually wrote in the post rather than treating me as a straw man 🙂

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Kevin Karhan :verified:
Kevin Karhan :verified:
@kkarhan@infosec.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dajb hope you come to the conclusion that " #AI" is irredeemable sooner than later...

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@kkarhan I mean, I co-authored this report for Friends of the Earth if that's what you mean?

https://policy.friendsoftheearth.uk/reports/harnessing-ai-environmental-justice

Friends of the Earth | Policy and insight

Harnessing AI for environmental justice | Policy and insight

Principles and practices to guide climate justice and digital rights campaigners in the responsible use of AI.
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