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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

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Inside: The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Criticizing AI; and more!

Archived at: https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble/

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https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble/#u-washington

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John Griffith
John Griffith
@johndgriffith@twit.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic
By this analysis, organizations/corporations that buy into the #AI sales pitch and replace their workforce seem likely to collapse due to incompetence. Those that maintain their human expertise would thrive because of decreased competition. This, of course, assumes that civilization doesn't completely fall apart. The massive economic power of the big monopolies coupled with incompetence is really scary. Kind of similar to the Trump administration.
I need to think more about it

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@baibold@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic The saddest part about losing sectoral bargaining is that the only way we're going to successfully campaign to get it back is a full general strike, where *every* sector shuts down with the specific demand to repeal Taft-Hartley.

It ties back into how in a world of perfect law enforcement, social progress becomes impossible. The optimal amount of crime in society is not 0.

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Paul Walker
Paul Walker
@arafel@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic Hi Cory - do you happen to know if the presentation you gave was being recorded? I'd be interested to watch it, though the text version will do nicely. 🙂

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@uis@pone.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic
> And I'm here to tell you they are wrong:w rong because

Typo

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Nicole Parsons
Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic

When does "alternative money" just become the equivalent of worthless coal town company scrip?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

Coal barons **hated** FDR for outlawing company scrip in 1938.
https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/flsa1938

Now company scrip is back again. With all its pernicious uses.

When a company can fire you just before you vest your stock options, were you really paid for all that under-the-table overtime?

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Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline
Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline
@Edelruth@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic

1. Buying the book the second it comes out.

2. "Seven AI companies currently account for more than a third of the stock market ...""
My jaw just hit the floor. This pop! is going to hurt.

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@Edelruth@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic

Reading this.
Paused to say, AI doing imaging evaluations has worried me since I first heard of it, and now you have given a whole other ($ milking) shape to the concern, and I don't know how to finish this thought.
Nightmares ahead.

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stephen m 🍞🌹🇵🇸
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@marxistvegan@union.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic Such a great piece! Looking forward to the book too!

It hit so many things that are so important, I particularly like this part
#AI #AISlop

same goes for all that "AI safety” nonsense, that purports to
concern itself with preventing an AI from attaining sentience
and turning us all into paperclips. First of all, this is
facially absurd. Throwing more words and GPUs into the word-
guessing program won't make it sentient. That's like saying,
"Well, we keep breeding these horses to run faster and faster,
so it's only a matter of time until one of our mares gives
birth to a locomotive.” A human mind is not a word-guessing
program with a lot of extra words.
same goes for all that "AI safety” nonsense, that purports to concern itself with preventing an AI from attaining sentience and turning us all into paperclips. First of all, this is facially absurd. Throwing more words and GPUs into the word- guessing program won't make it sentient. That's like saying, "Well, we keep breeding these horses to run faster and faster, so it's only a matter of time until one of our mares gives birth to a locomotive.” A human mind is not a word-guessing program with a lot of extra words.
same goes for all that "AI safety” nonsense, that purports to concern itself with preventing an AI from attaining sentience and turning us all into paperclips. First of all, this is facially absurd. Throwing more words and GPUs into the word- guessing program won't make it sentient. That's like saying, "Well, we keep breeding these horses to run faster and faster, so it's only a matter of time until one of our mares gives birth to a locomotive.” A human mind is not a word-guessing program with a lot of extra words.
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@filmroellchen@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@marxistvegan @pluralistic

Great speech, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves:

> The AI Safety people say they are worried that AI is going to end the world

I’m just going to stop you right there and point you to some of Robert Miles’s essays: https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMilesAI

because it’s not about that, and he (much better than I could) will give you several reasons to care about AI Safety before AGI is even plausible.

YouTube

Robert Miles AI Safety

Videos about Artificial Intelligence Safety Research, for everyone. AI is leaping forward right now, it's only a matter of time before we develop true Artificial General Intelligence, and there are a lot of different ways that this could go badly wrong for us. Putting aside the science fiction, this channel is about AI Safety research - humanity's best attempt to foresee the problems AI might pose and work out ways to ensure that our AI developments are safe and beneficial.
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James Fairbairn
James Fairbairn
@james@mastodon.exitmusic.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@marxistvegan @pluralistic

oh nice analogy! Coincidentally I just spammed out a thread about the category mistake and how it leads us (or at least, AI researchers and some AI "critics") to worry about something that will never happen, instead of the thing that has already been happening forever

https://mastodon.exitmusic.world/@james/115668538242850545

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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

I'm on a tour with my new book, the international bestseller *Enshittification*!

Catch me next in #Madison, CT; #Hamburg and #Denver!

Full schedule with dates and links at:

https://pluralistic.net/tour

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Cory Doctorow
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@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Criticizing AI: My speech for U Washington's Neuroscience, AI and Society lecture series.

https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/115667474409675079

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@Diplodocus@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

If you can, read this absolute banger of a post from @pluralistic about AI, what’s behind the bubble, and what it means for all of us in the context of #classwar! https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/115667477057688177

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Cory Doctorow
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@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Hey look at this

* Politics and Capitalist Stagnation https://www.unpopularfront.news/p/politics-and-capitalist-stagnation

* An Analysis of the Proposed Spirit Financial-Credit Union 1 Merger https://chipfilson.com/2025/12/an-analysis-of-the-proposed-spirit-financal-credit-union-1-merger/

* Zillow deletes climate risk data from listings after complaints it harms sales https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/dec/01/zillow-removes-climate-risk-data-home-listings

* After Years of Controversy, EU Chat Control Nears Its Final Hurdle: What to Know https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/after-years-controversy-eus-chat-control-nears-its-final-hurdle-what-know

* How dollar-stores overcharge cash-strapped customers https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/03/customers-pay-more-rising-dollar-store-costs

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Electronic Frontier Foundation

After Years of Controversy, the EU’s Chat Control Nears Its Final Hurdle: What to Know

After a years-long battle, the European Commission’s “Chat Control” plan, which would mandate mass scanning and other encryption-breaking measures, at last codifies agreement on a position within the Council of the EU, representing EU States. The good news is that the most controversial part, the forced requirement to scan encrypted messages, is out. The bad news is there’s more to it than that.
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Edelruth In The Wrong Timeline
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@Edelruth@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@pluralistic

I love this succinct definer: "classical social democratic politics—the era of generous redistribution and worker protections"

From the Ganz "Politics and Capitalist Stagnation" article linked in your post.

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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#20yrsago Haunted Mansion papercraft model adds crypts and gates https://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index313.html

#20yrsago Print your own Monopoly money https://web.archive.org/web/20051202030047/http://www.hasbro.com/monopoly/pl/page.treasurechest/dn/default.cfm

#15yrsago Bunnie explains the technical intricacies and legalities of Xbox hacking https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2010/usa-v-crippen-a-retrospective/

#15yrsago How Pac Man’s ghosts decide what to do: elegant complexity https://web.archive.org/web/20101205044323/https://gameinternals.com/post/2072558330/understanding-pac-man-ghost-behavior

#15yrsago Glorious, elaborate, profane insults of the world https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/efee7/what_are_your_favorite_culturally_untranslateable/?sort=confidence

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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#15yrsago Walt Disney World castmembers speak about their search for a living wage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5BMQ3xQc7o

#15yrsago Wikileaks cables reveal that the US wrote Spain’s proposed copyright law https://web.archive.org/web/20140723230745/https://elpais.com/elpais/2010/12/03/actualidad/1291367868_850215.html

#15yrsago Cities made of broken technology https://web.archive.org/web/20101203132915/https://agora-gallery.com/artistpage/Franco_Recchia.aspx

#10yrsago The TPP’s ban on source-code disclosure requirements: bad news for information security https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/tpp-threatens-security-and-safety-locking-down-us-policy-source-code-audit

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MouseTrapped 2010 - part 1 of 2
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Cory Doctorow
Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#10yrsago Fossil fuel divestment sit-in at MIT President’s office hits 10,000,000,000-hour mark https://twitter.com/FossilFreeMIT/status/672526210581274624

#10yrsago Hacker dumps United Arab Emirates Invest Bank’s customer data https://www.dailydot.com/news/invest-bank-hacker-buba/

#10yrsago Illinois prisons spy on prisoners, sue them for rent on their cells if they have any money https://www.chicagotribune.com/2015/11/30/state-sues-prisoners-to-pay-for-their-room-board/

#10yrsago Free usability help for privacy toolmakers https://superbloom.design/learning/blog/apply-for-help/

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Cory Doctorow
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@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

#10yrsago In the first 334 days of 2015, America has seen 351 mass shootings (and counting) https://web.archive.org/web/20151209004329/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/30/there-have-been-334-days-and-351-mass-shootings-so-far-this-year/

#10yrsago Not even the scapegoats will go to jail for BP’s murder of the Gulf Coast https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/manslaughter-charges-dropped-in-bp-spill-case-nobody-from-bp-will-go-to-prison/

#10yrsago Urban Transport Without the Hot Air: confusing the issue with relevant facts! https://memex.craphound.com/2015/12/03/urban-transport-without-the-hot-air-confusing-the-issue-with-relevant-facts/

#5yrsago Breathtaking Iphone hack https://pluralistic.net/2020/12/03/ministry-for-the-future/#awdl

#5yrsago Graffitists hit dozens of NYC subway cars https://pluralistic.net/2020/12/03/ministry-for-the-future/#getting-up

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