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Trump has now set a deadline for Thursday next week, where he demands Ukraine signs an agreement to meet Putin’s demands:
— No NATO membership
— A reduction of its military to just 600,000 troops
— Accepting the loss of Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and most of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia
— Forcing Ukrainian elections within 100 days
While Russia will
— Reenter the G8
— Have all sanctions lifted
This is not a peace agreement. This is capitulation.
@randahl randall why are you interacting with kremlin trolls in this comment thread? That nato promise to not extend eastward has been totally debunked. Only Kremlin shills say that. You don't even see current kremlin trolls say that anymore. Even the conversation that is cited was taken out of context. And was simply a discussion, not a treaty. It's fine to address their lies but don't respond, they get credit for responses. I'm surprised at you, you should know better.
@randahl
Whatever blackmail evidence Putin has on Trump must be worse than a threesome with Epstein.
@randahl so many "no freaking ways". Sounds like Putin had decided he's LOSING!! Sounds desperate to me, so he puts the squeeze on trump's nuts to push Zelensky, but trump has no CARDS!
@randahl *a surrender agreement
Yes, it smells like a pact, Russia and the USA (or whatever is really left of those countries anyway) dividing the spoils of war between them and prompting the EU to foot the bill.
Question is now whether the EU will come together against this shameless Putin - Trump handshake and put its foot down.
@randahl
TACO.
How long before Trump flip flops again?
@randahl He should offer Alaska as well.
@randahl are you planning to go fight for Ukraine anytime soon?
Otherwise, I'd shut up about deciding how many more conscripts need to die for what you consider acceptable terms.
@randahl
I wonder how much consultation there was with the G6-other-nations about one piece of that?
#G6 #G7 #G8 #TerritorialAmbitionsInEurope #defenceguarantees
@randahl the EU has let itself and the Ukraine down terribly by allowing itself to become dependent on the US Military Industrial Complex. I worry that the EU badly needs to find a way to adapt or Trump, Putin und Xi will just divide up the world between them.
@randahl
And what is the "...or else"-part here? There is nothing that the orange shitshow could take away. He can just demand and yell like a small dog. But he doesn't play at the big boys table. Why do I even write this comment? Stfu Trump, go get your diapers changed.
@momo Trump can prevent democratic countries from buying US made weapons to Ukraine.
This may be a problem, as we do not have enough production capacity in the democracies to produce all the types of weapons needed ourselves (and enough of them).
Most pressing is the need for air defence systems. Ukraine uses US made Patriot air defence systems, and if Trump prevents delivery of missiles on
Thursday, more Ukrainians will die this winter.
I hate it, but this is how it is.
@randahl
Honestly, that is indeed a problem. It's almost 25 years now that I shot a HK G36 during a training exercise, but I remember a) the disappointment that a brand new rifle shoots as imprecise as my previously assigned G3 from 1964 and b) all the news about the gun production quality afterwards (barrel gets too hot during fire in heated climate, impact on precision, etc). Put the Eurofighter on top of that and suddenly european weapons, vehicles and equipment is not very relevant and hasn't been in the last 30 years.
Yes, we could maybe ramp up the production but that doesn't improve the quality. Anyone remember Airbus A400M and how Von Der Leyen got stuck in Afghanistan because of defects?
Thank you for pointing it out, there is an "...or else" indeed.
@momo I think Germany and Sweden has come out with some really impressive weapons lately.
For instance, I am reading that Rheinmetall’s Skynex system is incredibly effective against the Russian Geran 2 drones (the Russian version of the Iranian Shahed).
@randahl @momo Skynex isn't just incredibly effective, it is the best in the world. Nothing ever produced by the USA ever came close.
Also, there are European systems (SAMP-T) working in gaps where Patriot is currently struggling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix3IAzADbFc
There really are a lot of top notch non-USA alternatives ... not everything, but a lot.
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@randahl Maybe people should shout from the rooftops that under Biden there wouldn't have been such a weak and bad deal