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I don’t know what to think of bootc quite yet.
On one hand I like the idea of an immutable OS relying on a technology I’m familiar with.
On the other, most bootc images I’ve found seem to bundle a lot of extras that are not always trivial to remove.
I would want my OS image to be minimal and as close to upstream as possible, and then I want to install apps by myself.
@thibaultamartin yeah, I wish the niri+dms distro would ship with minimal packages and config.
What does that have to do though with the technology bootc?
@ju mostly that it’s annoying that the technology makes it difficult to remove things I don’t need from the main image :)
@thibaultamartin Bootc doesn't have much to do with this itself. Its making it somewhat easier to create whatever offshoot distro you like so that's why its mostly these kind of images that are around, and you can get basically free hosting of your image in github/ghcr.
But I get you, what you need is to install proper GNOME OS!! What it will use to do the updates doesn't matter much.
(if anything, sysupdate is an upgrade in my book over OCI)
@alatiera how is sysupdate better than OCI?
@thibaultamartin Simpler design, not constrained by OCI and all its faults, has more guarantees security wise.
@alatiera hm, that’s also probably much more work to build a DankMaterialShell OS that relies on sysuodate 🤔
I’d have to open the docs before opening my big mouth though
@thibaultamartin mkosi is not that much more complicated than your usual Containerfile, and its much more robust than random RUN dnf install && ./build.sh
But as I said the main selling point of OCI is that you don't have to figure out the hosting infrastructure at all.
Maybe someone can take the mkosi particleOS OBS setup and make it into a easy to use template, but nothing as widesprad yet.
@thibaultamartin why not use the base images from the distros themselves? CentOS, Rocky, Fedora all have official images and there's a set of images called bootcrew which has the other distros (but not official). Are these images too bloated in your opinion?
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