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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

Mozilla is soliciting feedback on AI in Firefox and the community is delivering.

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922

#ai #firefox #mozilla

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Phil Thane ✅
@pthane@toot.wales replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@amoroso
I just carefully crafted a polite reply to their request but when I clicked 'Submit' I was taken to a login or sign-up page. That's the attitude we're dealing with. They don't want my opinion unless they can monetize my data.

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Janeishly
@janeishly@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 hours ago

@amoroso I replied to it, but I've already abandoned Firefox after many years, for Librewolf & Ironfox. They aren't going to listen, but it's nice that everyone else is as "fuck no" about it as me.

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@janeishly Right, it's important to hold them accountable.

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xrvs
@xarvos@outerheaven.club replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@amoroso those emojis smell…

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ProprieteDuSage
@proprietedusage@eldritch.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso currently liking every single replies

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@proprietedusage Me too.

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Kyle C. Kelly
@KyleCKelly@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso
I made an account just to voice my distain in this decision. Why are companies being so fucking weird and short sighted about AI? I feel like I'm going crazy.

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@KyleCKelly Thanks, I appreciate it.

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Dave "Wear A Goddamn Mask" Cochran :donor:
@dave_cochran@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso do we think they're gonna listen this time, or is it more of a "we solicited the feedback and then did what we wanted anyway" kinda thing?

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@dave_cochran I'd say the latter.

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Dave "Wear A Goddamn Mask" Cochran :donor:
@dave_cochran@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso oh, good

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Guntha
@guntha@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso Having AI in your browser while every other website already implements genAI is like avoiding processed food and cooking yourself only to find out you still poison yourself from the PFAS in your pan.

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Hector Correa
@hectorjcorrea@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso I love your reply:

"The only AI related thing I want is a single, prominent, easily accessible switch to turn off absolutely all opt-out AI features. No chasing about:config entries."

Screenshot of reply by amoroso: "The only AI related thing I want is a single, prominent, easily accessible switch to turn off absolutely all opt-out AI features. No chasing about:config entries."
Screenshot of reply by amoroso: "The only AI related thing I want is a single, prominent, easily accessible switch to turn off absolutely all opt-out AI features. No chasing about:config entries."
Screenshot of reply by amoroso: "The only AI related thing I want is a single, prominent, easily accessible switch to turn off absolutely all opt-out AI features. No chasing about:config entries."
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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@hectorjcorrea Thanks, it's just common sense.

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Krampus 🌰
@castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso impressive, 1 person who was pro-llm but wanted it to be opt-in and 60+ negative

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Mx. Eddie R
@silvermoon82@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso
In the entire first page of replies, I see one "I want it to be different" and every other response is "I don't want it at all".
I don't understand why leadership wants this so badly. I mean, I joke about CEOs who chose a shirt size at age 19 and now are fatter and hypoxic, but is that really it? Is there some other property inherent to the C-suite that makes them bad at decisions?

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@silvermoon82 Mozilla's leadership is coming from the same industry that's forcing AI down people's throaths.

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Mx Amber Alex (she/it)
@amberage@eldritch.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso aaaaand added my 2c. Also, does the announcement read "AI"-generated to anyone else or just me?! What the fuck.

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amberage Yes it smells like that.

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Niavy :verified: :bearn:
@niavy@masto.bike replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso

Two words : DEFAULT OPT-OUT

#ai #firefox #mozilla

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@niavy Agreed.

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C.S.Strowbridge
@csstrowbridge@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso

It's about a 50/50 split between "I want to opt out with a single button." and just "No."

I also saw a couple that were like me saying, "Do this and I'm dropping Mozilla."

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Allison
@amcjen@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso Wow, their arrogance is off the charts.

“We hear you about not wanting AI, but ‘waves hands about technology moving forward’ and we’ve decided we’re the best team to tell you how you’ll use the technology you said you didn’t want to use”

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ploum
@ploum@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso : could not find a single enthusiastic comment.

If we, anti-AI people, were so niche minority, where’s all that silent majority ?

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@ploum I could fine only one comment mostly in favor, plus 6 kudos so far for the original post. Which, given the rest of the feedback, backs your point.

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Mina
@mina@berlin.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso

There was one short and on the point reply by a user named "nube":

»Mozilla, get it: you can't compete with chromium, you can't target a mainstream audience, you can't win. You're just going to lose us, the little audience you still have, stop making fun of your users!«

That's the point: #FireFox is a boutique browser nowadays. Its only way of staying in the game is by being substantially different from Chrome and its clones.

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@mina Spot on.

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Mike Morris
@mikro2nd@indieweb.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso
Thing is... just follow the money. And the money wants "AI", so Mozilla has no choice but to follow if they want to keep paying their execs outrageous salaries.

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Petrus Hilarius
@phf@mastodon.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso They let you type a reply and THEN ask for a login. And when you "back" because you're not gonna, your reply is gone. Which is the worst kind of infuriating. I now imagine myself floating in space, looking at the giant M monolith saying "My god, it's full of a******s..."

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@phf I sign in with the same Mozilla ID I use for syncing Firefox but yes, it's infuriating.

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso

The feedback is mostly various renditions of "Absolutely not!" and "Heck no!"

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Npars01 I suspect Mozilla's leadership will interpret the feddback as "Absolutely yes!" and "Go ahead!".

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Bowreality 🇨🇦
@Bowreality@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso @Npars01 Loud and clear feedback. What else do they need?

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Bowreality Giving such feedback is important but the impression is they already made up their mind.

@Npars01

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Bowreality 🇨🇦
@Bowreality@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso @Npars01 A sure fire way to lose users. Asking for feedback and then doing the opposite is worse than not asking at all.

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Kroc Camen
@Kroc@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@amoroso @Npars01 “We heard you,”

*proceeds to do exactly what they were planning to do anyway

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Kroc Which is technically correct as they do hear the loud feedback.

@Npars01

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