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Randahl Fink
@randahl@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

This thread is worth reading if you are a Google docs user.

Short version: When you export a document from Google Docs, Google replaces all your hyperlinks with links that allows Google to monitor the interactions of everyone you share your document with.

This hidden link replacement can potentially be used to build a model of your professional relations, where people who interact more with your content are considered a stronger relation.

Think about the implications.
https://fosstodon.org/@Joe_0237/111145684757912952

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水母语唯一传人
@Gudfinna@m.cmx.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@randahl omg… what else app can i use… i do rely on google docs and it’s simple to use. uhhh cyber insecurity…

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JWM
@ildiavolorosso@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@randahl - Tested this on both paid and free GDrive, with the same behavior.

I've found that Google often inserts tracking links in their docs. Super frustrating.

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WERNERPRISE° KI-frei seit 2004
@wernerprise@mastodon.bits-und-baeume.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@randahl

Yet another reason to avoid Google like the plague it actually is. Thanks for sharing.

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lin11c
@lin11c@toad.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@randahl
It is clear that we need to dump apps from Google, META, X, Microsoft, Adobe... Or get offline altogether? The enshittification is complete. I read some people are going back to private Discord groups. Not sure of their privacy protections. AI can even scrape Mastodon because it's public. I'll stay online until the midterms in the US, then reassess. I just saw a post about how every image and message in Instagram is being scraped. ☠️ No way to opt out.

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John Faithfull 🌍🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🧡✊🏻✊🏿
@FaithfullJohn@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@randahl 🤬😡

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cognitively accessible math
@geonz@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@randahl Thank you. I've got one I share a lot about developmental math research. I was thinking today about how to stick that kind of thing on my website (sigh and how to keep my website since my friend who took over paying for it died.... I did manage to convince them tolet me give them the money...)

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Huntn00
@Huntn00@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@randahl This is bullshit intrusive, but am I surprised? Hardly… 🤔

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DebC (She/Her)♿️☮️
@DebC@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@randahl Suprise! WTF?

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Weekend Editor
@weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@randahl

In the US, aren’t there likely some legal liabilities with HIPAA, if any healthcare info is treated this way?

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@randahl

Money isn't neutral. The source & provenance of investment money matters.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tim-cook-peter-thiel-rupert-murdoch-met-with-bin-salman-2020-1

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/heres-a-look-at-who.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

Google got enormous injections of cash from the worst petrostate despots on the planet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47454598

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693994447/apple-google-criticized-for-carrying-app-that-lets-saudi-men-track-their-wives

These are the same despots who want to track women & are funding international state surveillance platforms with Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Larry Ellison of CIA fame.

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

Business Insider

Microsoft and Google may have to surrender people's data to Saudi Arabia after signing huge deals there

Saudi Arabia is seeking to be an innovation hub, but activists are warning that tech firms could be complicit in the repression of dissidents.
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justbob
@justbob@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@randahl

I know of a place that stores all their documents including "employee records" and host the "company website" and use Google QR codes for everything.

I've been trying to convince them that I can build a system for about $500-1,000 that would be inhoused.

They recently formed a union for the staff to "protect the vendor". These people are so corporatizesed, they just don't comprehend that they are selling homeless people's information including SSN to Google and intern, every government agencies that want to know who is homeless.

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Toni Aittoniemi
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@randahl Fook! That’s not service, that’s hacking. 😧

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Erik Jonker
@ErikJonker@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@randahl https://cryptpad.org/ and others offer good alternatives

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DonCC
@DonChacale@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 13 hours ago

@randahl

I am in the process of de-Googling my life. Since I am pre-internet... I was pre Google..when it was a marginally better browse ...I just kept using it. 30+ years later it is BIG BROTHER.

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EvilJeff
@EvilJeff@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 13 hours ago

@randahl several years back, I was interacting with a client whose company was looking at using the Google environment for work. They had dug into the terms and conditions where they found that Google could essentially own anything that they wrote on their platform. At that time, the TOC basically said they could inspect any data they wanted to. While that may not be the case anymore, I would suggest anybody wanting to use an online platform take a good look at the TOC before they start.

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Justin Fitzsimmons
@smn@l3ib.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@randahl and if google ever decides (or is forced) to end this practice and shut down their servers, all those exported links are now broken.

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VA3EKR, KK7TMS, Scott
@va3ekr@mastodon.radio replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl this is good to know!
If I share in future, I'll export a PDF that I will edit to roll-back links

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Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
@jackyan@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

RE: https://mastodon.social/@randahl/115513890753953838

I know I say this a lot, but I am glad I stuck with WordPerfect. Usual evil stuff from #Google.

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bjb :devuannew: :emacs:
@bjb@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl

Wow, so Google has to keep a database of all these links online indefinitely ... that's robust. For the sarcasm-impaired: that was sarcasm.

And, they can decide which document's links to "break" when they feel like it.

Stop. Using. Google. At. All. For. Anythhing.

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Randahl Fink
@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 13 hours ago

@bjb “This HTML file is currently not working because of a dependency on a Google service which is currently offline”

— How far we have come.

#sarcasm

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Anna
@jellycrystals@universeodon.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl so if I have links in a doc, download and save as a docx, I have to delete, save and then re insert my links? My work is in the process of moving from GSuite to Microsoft ...

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Gustavo
@qgustavor@urusai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl I am planning to replace at least Google Photos with a self hosted FOSS solution, but last week I lost an entire day replacing a HDD that was almost dead (after years of torrenting). I prefer self hosted, I don't want to switch to other hosting, even if they have E2EE, but maintaining things can be annoying sometimes.

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Ox1de
@Ox1de@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl there’s nothing they won’t do to steal ur data. I suspect Microsoft is doing something similar, if not they will now.

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Ox1de
@Ox1de@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl there’s nothing they won’t do to steal ur data. I suspect Microsoft is doing something similar, if not they will now.

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jackcole
@jackcole@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@randahl Graph theory and email spectroscopy, an HP research paper from decades ago later used by IBM in its NORA (non-obvious relationship awareness) application.

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Sepia Fan
@stekopf@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@randahl

According @Joe_0237 documents are only affected when exported to html or epub:

txt - unaffected
html + AFFECTED
odt - unaffected
pdf - unaffected
epub + AFFECTED
rtf - unaffected
docx - unaffected

https://fosstodon.org/@Joe_0237/111154765203815950

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Randahl Fink
@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@stekopf you are right. Thank you. I updated the post to reflect that this is export related.

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Steve
@steve@feltmarker.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@randahl I need to test this on our Business Workspace to see if it is limited to public use or widespread

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Randahl Fink
@randahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@steve do note that it is related to export formats — e.g. HTML is infected.

(More info in the thread)

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Steve
@steve@feltmarker.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@randahl yes, noted. Not sure how often we need to export to HTML but I’m curious now

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GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸
@grumpydad@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@randahl Time to add a few links to potentially hazardous stuff just to poison the algorithm

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