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tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

Things I had not expected to see today: Deutsche Bank making a numbers based argument that "AI" is a bubble and won't last https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/deutsche-bank-grim-warning-ai-industry

Futurism

Deutsche Bank Issues Grim Warning for AI Industry

Deutsche Bank is warning that AI spending won't "remain parabolic," or continue to increase exponentially, a dire warning for the future.
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Simon Zerafa
@simonzerafa@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

If Nvidia is basically bankrolling the current AI bubble then it's going to pop 🌷🤪

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Ondřej Surý
@ondrej@mastodon.rfc1925.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante @hyc > Others remain more optimistic, with Goldman Sachs arguing that productivity gains thanks to AI adoption could ultimately boost the economy, according to a note to clients seen by Fortune.

What productivity gains? Can I see them?

Also before you report, read this: https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/followup-on-trusting-your-own-judgement/

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Tuckers Nuts Resist! 🇺🇦 
@jstatepost@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante
Numbers don't lie, but liars are numerous.

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tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@jstatepost oh numbers super duper often lie.

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SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
@SomeVeganCheeseIsOk@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante that's not the point of AI, though. AI is a vanity project for billionaires who want other people to pay for the necessary compute power.

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Tor Lillqvist
@tml@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante The article talks about ”parabolic” and ”exponential”. Wish they would make up their mind. These are not synonymous. Parabolic growth is by definition polynomial, not exponential.

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naught101
@naught101@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante Makes me wonder if Goldman Sachs have a bunch of shorts on AI stocks...

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myrmepropagandist
@futurebird@sauropods.win replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

I am nodding along with this in agreement but let’s steel man this position by asking:

What if any self-serving motivations might cause those of us who do not think AI delivers the full value it promises to make such dire predictions?

Am I just annoyed by change? Offended by the aesthetic inferiority of AI products? Threatened by the way creative and intellectual work is cheapened by the notion that it might all be “easily automated”?

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JP
@jplebreton@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@futurebird @tante i personally don't want to live through a great depression and be entering my 50s as my dying country's healthcare system and related social infrastructure collapses. i think if there's even a small risk of that happening we should take dramatic action (eg regulate tech and tax billionaires out of existence), that by no coincidence would make the world much better anyway.

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Graydon
@graydon@canada.masto.host replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@futurebird @tante Intelligence doesn't exist.

(No, really; there is no better definition of "intelligence" than there is of "holy": this group of people use the word about that thing there.)

Someone selling something that will certainly transform the world when it comes newly into being could have an idea able to do that (steam engines, solar panels, etc.) but if they do, they can define it. They have something to measure.

The AI boosters have no definition or measure. It's pure scam.

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myrmepropagandist
@futurebird@sauropods.win replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

The cheerleaders see these as bumps in the road to the future— kinks to be ironed out on the way to a new economic order.

I keep say “but it doesn’t really work!”

Will that matter?

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atlovato
@atlovato@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante - It is draining a valuable natural resource: WATER.

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Marcella Francesca :verified:
@bitchboss@marcella.masto.host replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante Other than translating (deepl) and generating pictures with 7 fingers and 3 feet and prohibiting imagery you really want versus what you get (stable diffusion web) it just cost a lot of money to make use of it and I'm really wondering where all that investment has been gone. I also lost total interest in coding with AI, automating desktop AI and general AI for businesses because the bill, waiting time or forcibly using the cloud is causing irritation and paranoia.

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Wulfy
@n_dimension@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

Guess who has put option on Nvidia!

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Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
@toriver@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante When Nvidia "invests" in an AI company which then takes that money and buys Nvidia chips, people should scream "what is happening here?"

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TrimTab 🇺🇦
@TrimTab@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante
Nice. I've been saying this for a few months now. Writing has been on the wall.

There are a fair few niche functions llms can do to improve worker efficiency. Exactly like VR goggles and bitcoin.

But to overlook everything LLMs are horrible at is to be either complicit in the scam, or an idiot.

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patrick m.
@sfpodge@famichiki.jp replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante @savvykenya It is not surprising that people in finance don’t believe the hype. The claims thrown around by OpenAI are actually laughable from a tech standpoint. But excuse me while I don’t give a shit about the concerns from a bank that gave Trump money for decades 😆

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

The fallout to pension systems from the failure of Nortel & Blackberry...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_Limited

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/nortel-networks-us-pension-insurer-reach-bankruptcy-deal-idUSKBN14B24K/

https://www.pensions-expert.com/defined-benefit/nortel-bought-out-after-9-year-struggle/35908.article

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/15/blackberry-smartphone-status-symbol-then-crashed-and-burned

Over-reliance on a few tech companies in a portfolio is a risk management nightmare

https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/

https://nationalpost.com/news/exclusive-did-huawei-bring-down-nortel-corporate-espionage-theft-and-the-parallel-rise-and-fall-of-two-telecom-giants

https://blogs.blackberry.com/en/2025/07/ai-impersonation-attack-sovereign-security

https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2024/10/15/ismael-valenzuela-blackberry-political-instability-cyber-operations/

https://www.wired.com/story/blackberry-india/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/nov/17/india-blackberry-monitored-emails

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-ongoing-battle-between-india-and-research-in-motion/

Knowledge at Wharton

The Ongoing Battle Between India and Research In Motion

India's new love affair with the BlackBerry has created a delicate problem: how to handle national security concerns in a country that has suffered from several recent terrorist attacks involving the use of mobile phones. India's government has given the company behind the BlackBerry, Research In Motion (RIM), until the end of January to allow India’s national intelligence services full, real-time access to all features available on the device. That leaves RIM in a quandary.…Read More
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Research In Motion's move could permit officials to lawfully access corporate customers' communications
WIRED

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After years of wrangling, BlackBerry (formerly known as RIM) has finally agreed to give the Indian government the ability to intercept data sent over BlackBerry devices
Help Net Security

How nation-states exploit political instability to launch cyber operations - Help Net Security

Political instability can influence the frequency of cyber attacks, as nation-states and other groups seek to exploit unrest for advantage.

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nationalpost

Exclusive: Did Huawei bring down Nortel? Corporate espionage, theft, and the parallel rise and fall of two telecom giants

As Canada decides on whether to allow Huawei a role in the coming 5G wireless networks, one part of the story is vexing Nortel’s many fans
Global News

Inside the Chinese military attack on Nortel

Cybersecurity experts say the fall of Canadian telecom giant Nortel was a direct result of systematic hacking by the Chinese with a direct link to Huawei.
the Guardian

The rise and fall of the BlackBerry

Dubbed the ‘crackberry’, it was a tech gamechanger and status symbol. So what happened to the first smartphone and why didn’t the execs see it coming?
Pensions Expert

Nortel bought out after 9-year struggle

On the go: The UK pension scheme of failed telecoms giant Nortel has been bought out with Legal & General in a £2.4bn transaction, bringing nine years of uncertainty for members to an end.
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Erik Jonker
@ErikJonker@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante AI will last, "just" the financial/investing bubble will collapse.

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Toni Aittoniemi
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante Well it’s about time mainstream economists notice basically 3 companies passing the same money around holding up about 25% of the US economy!

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Vesna Manojlović
@becha@social.v.st replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@gimulnautti @tante I saw this meme few days ago …

#nvidia #oracle #OpenAI #AI
#ecocide #AI_is_ecocide

[edited to add hashtags]

OpenAI => $100Billion => Oracle =>  $100Billion =>  NVIDIA
OpenAI => $100Billion => Oracle => $100Billion => NVIDIA
OpenAI => $100Billion => Oracle => $100Billion => NVIDIA
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Vesna Manojlović
@becha@social.v.st replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago

@gimulnautti @tante

My writing on why #AI_is_ecocide

https://wiki.techinc.nl/User:Becha/AI_is_ecocide

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tanavit
@tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

Everybody knows it is a bubble.

But, as long as the bubble produces profits in the stock market, there is no reason to stop.

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lobingera
@lobingera@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante You didn't expect Deutsche Bank to be late to the party?

Edit: Where were you 2008?

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Lars Fischer
@Fischblog@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante
"Especially alarming is the amount of money the AI industry would need to actually make to justify all its spending."
This.

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lobingera
@lobingera@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@Fischblog @tante

"yes, we're loosing per item, but we will make it in scaling up"

Every.
Single.
Time.

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Knud Jahnke
@knud@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@tante

While in the past they were typically still doing stupid things when most others had already stopped.

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Thomas Fricke (he/him)
@thomasfricke@23.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@knud @tante

Es ist brandgefährlich, wenn die Bubble platzt. Sie können sie militärisch am Leben halten

https://23.social/@thomasfricke/115281586748974802

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