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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

This should have been big news!

Ten funding agencies from eight European countries have pledged to support a public infrastructure that is poised to replace academic journals:
FWF 🇦🇹
RCN 🇳🇴
Forte 🇸🇪
ARIS 🇸🇮
SRC 🇸🇪
FCT 🇵🇹
CSIC 🇪🇸
DFG 🇩🇪
Formas 🇸🇪
ANR 🇫🇷
Only two of them issued press releases in English:
https://www.fwf.ac.at/en/news/detail/joint-commitment-to-strengthening-open-research-europe
https://www.fccn.pt/en/atualidade/fct-assina-declaracao-fortalecimento-open-research-europe-ore/
and one more, NWO from 🇳🇱 considers joining:
https://www.nwo.nl/en/news/nwo-endorses-joining-open-access-platform-open-research-europe-ore
Why is this BIG? 1/4
#openscience #openaccess

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Marte
@marte@bolha.one replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@brembs we already have a very successful one in Latin America: SciELO.
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Patrick Hochstenbach
@hochstenbach@openbiblio.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@brembs And where is Belgium? Where is Belgium! #fwo #ugent wake up
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Rosanna Cantavella
@cantavest@hcommons.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Hi, Björn! This is excellent news, at least in theory, as one cannot expect to build a reliable infrastructure of good peer reviewers for all fields of knowledge at once. I'm the editor of OJS diamond journal Magnificat CLM, centred on medieval cultures, esp medieval texts in a minorized language such as Catalan (https://turia.uv.es/index.php/MCLM). We, as many other consolidated journals, strive to find first-rate reviewers, even though we're well known and respected.
This new ORE structure has a long long road ahead if they want to publish high-quality papers on minority areas, especially on Humanities. Are they fully aware of this?
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@cantavest

Probably not!
My guess is that they are mainly geared towards replacing the big, expensive science journals.

In my personal opinion, the money potentially to be saved from these fields by something like ORE is so huge, that we could, hypothetically, take 10% of that saved money and give it to all the minority fields like yours and more than double their budgets.

At least this bis how it roughly pans out in the library of our institution where I adviocate such an approach.

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@cantavest

Ideally, the big, expensive sciences would focus on developments like ORE to eventually form an infrastructure as outlined here:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.230206

In my ideal, hypothetical scenario, the minority fields can then each decide if they find such an infrastructure attractive and join, or if they'd rather receive increased financial support to keep their current operations funded.

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Kermode
@gemlog@tilde.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs This is great news!
I'm also heartened when I see various levels of government in different countries having a fedi instance, vs relying on corporate sites like fb and twit.
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Jeroen Sondervan
@Jeroenson@akademienl.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs hi Björn, the Dutch Research Council (NWO) is not considering, we have signed the statement. See version 2: https://zenodo.org/records/14725287
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@Jeroenson

Oh, and I also had not seen this bit:

"The Signatories expect the official launch of the collectively managed and funded ORE platform by the end of 2026."

So likely not ready by early next year, but late next year!

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Jeroen Sondervan
@Jeroenson@akademienl.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs or mid-next year ;-). Let’s see how it goes. We’re progressing!
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chris
@chrispy@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs @SNF 🇨🇭?
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AbaixoDeCao
@AbaixoDeCao@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs

The FCT will be shut down by the Portuguese government in a couple of months...

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@AbaixoDeCao

That sounds dramatic - any sources for the claim? My search turned up nothing.

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AbaixoDeCao
@AbaixoDeCao@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs

Maybe I was too specific about the date, but the Right Wing government is going to shut down the foundation, link in Portuguese: https://www.publico.pt/2025/07/31/sociedade/noticia/governo-extingue-fct-dez-organismos-area-educacao-2142463

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@AbaixoDeCao

OK, thanks for the link!

That does not look good, but one can still hope that the successor organization will continue the program - if all that comes to pass.

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Matteo Capucci
@mc@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs this is great! I'm just confused by an aspect: once I submit an article, it says it can no longer be sent to other journals. however, this is before peer review happens, so iirc you might risk to submit an article, have it rejected but still on ORE, and thus barred from submitting it anywhere else 😬 this is a serious issue if true...
also, they should have aimed for something more decentralised, perhaps an umbrella platform for community-run journals...
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@mc

Yes, I'm not sure what would happen if the reviewers reject the article and you refuse to change it, it would still be available with the review comments. I can understand why one may want to then publish it elsewhere. There should be a resolution option in place for such cases.
Maybe withdraw the article?
I think further decentralization is being planned or at least considered.

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Till Grallert
@tillgrallert@digitalcourage.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Great news! Do we know the stance of @NFDI and its constituent consortia on this matter? Given that together they involve practically every academic institution in Germany in one way or another, they/we could make a real difference.

#NFDI
@NFDI4Memory @nfdi4objects @nfdixcs @nfdi4culture @NFDI4DS @Textplus …

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@tillgrallert @NFDI @NFDI4Memory @nfdi4objects @nfdixcs @nfdi4culture @NFDI4DS @Textplus

Good question!

I don't know. It would be nice to get some reaction from them!

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crazyeddie
@crazyeddie@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs OK.

It looks to me like most of the infrastructure behind this is going to be in ORCID (Open Research Contributor ID) and DOI (Digital Object Identifier).

DOI I've been aware of for a while. Not sure how long ORCID has existed.

ORE looks like it is adding peer review and maybe some community stuff? Hosting of the resource pointed to by the DOI?

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@crazyeddie

Close. The main infrastructure right now is run by F1000 (now owned by Taylor & Francis):
https://www.f1000.com/about/
They are working on migrating it to OJS:
https://openjournalsystems.com/

Yes, Crossref is currently providing DOIs for the articles, IIUC, but any such provider could do that.

Yes, ORCID is used to provide IDs for authors. Some see this as problematic, but, as of now, I don't necessarily fully endorse this view.

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xs4me2
@xs4me2@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs

Big news indeed...

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Ízaro
@izaro@twit.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs this should be a strategic endeavor for the whole of the EU. I hope it gets up and running and success in reducing the for-profit journal industry
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Toni Aittoniemi
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Science is a communal project, not a side-venture for business!
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Gaspar Jekely
@jekely@biologists.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Yes, this is great news! Until now I think only @ERC_Research was behind Open Research Europe as far as I know, it is great to see that other funders join in! We will send a paper there next to test their platform and support.
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@jekely @ERC_Research

Yes, exactly, same here! It was the consequential move after the latest conclusions by the Council of the EU:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/05/23/council-calls-for-transparent-equitable-and-open-access-to-scholarly-publications/

and the path they outline is very promising, I think.

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Gaspar Jekely
@jekely@biologists.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs @ERC_Research
Yes, in brief:
- transparent, equitable, and open access to scholarly publications
- not-for-profit, open access and multi-format, with no costs for authors or readers (Diamond OA)
- encourage Member States to support the pilot programme Open Research Europe (to create a large-scale open access research publishing service)
- use of open-source software and standards

But moving beyond "encourage" will be important, ideally funders should move, not the EU (too top heavy).

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@jekely @ERC_Research

Exactly!
That's precisely why I felt the move by these funders should receive more attention.

I'm happy to see that it seems obvious to more people than just me 😇

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Gaspar Jekely
@jekely@biologists.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs @ERC_Research An easy next step would be to make APC to for-profit publishers a non-eligible cost by @dfg_public as already done by I think the Gates Foundation
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@jekely @ERC_Research @dfg_public

Oh, that would be such a logical next step, wouldn't it? This should be so obvious!

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a3nm
@a3nm@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs It's nice that this exists, but I don't understand why it is "poised to replace academic journals". I can imagine this turning into an arXiv-like website, with optional open reviews, with mandatory deposit for projects funded by these funders, and with a CC-BY license.

But I don't see how this will help researchers to move to another publication system together -- I worry that they'll continue paying APCs to publish in established venues (and do non-open reviews for these venues)

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@a3nm

Ah, good question!

One of several short answers is that, e.g., if these funders/countries stop fduning legacy journals, these journals will eventually go bankrupt and then ORE is their replacement.

An attempt at a longer answer is in our paper:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.230206

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Gabriel Heinrichs
@gabrielheinrichs@akademienl.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs This looks very promising and exciting. Small fry: the Dutch org is called NWO (like the url), not FWO.
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Möph
@M@nerdculture.de replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Tried to find a press release of the DFG. .. None. 🤔
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@M

I'm also wondering why this is such a low-level launch. I know the ORE people themselves are very concerned with too few submissions, but something about the way they go about it smells funny.

I could only speculate where the hesitation may come from, I don't know.

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Alexander Huber
@c18ah@hcommons.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Did I just not find it, or is there really no mention of #OA monographs?
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@c18ah

In my understanding, this is journal articles only.

I agree that an infrastructure for monographs would be more than just desirable, of course!

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Mikkel Roald-Arbøl
@roaldarboel@neuromatch.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Argh, I’m not seeing Denmark on this list! Who would one need to contact or put pressure on to get them to join this initiative?!
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@roaldarboel

Probably representatives of your funding agencies? There may be different ways to get this goinbg, though.

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Joe Roe
@joeroe@archaeo.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs @roaldarboel I suppose the Danish counterpart in this context would be the DFF? If there's interest in writing an open letter or something to them, count me in!
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@joeroe @roaldarboel

An open letter would certainly be a good idea!

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julesh
@julesh@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs Since a publication venue is relevant exactly to the extent that hiring/promotion committees believe that it is relevant, having such an under-the-radar start does not fill me with confidence
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@julesh

I agree about the "below radar announcement" 🤣

It bothers me too - hence my thread.

The EU believes it can tackle the hiring/promotion problem with CoARA:

https://coara.org/

I'm skeptical.

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El Duvelle
@elduvelle@neuromatch.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@julesh
Realistically, this is probably going to be what drives the authors's choices..

@brembs

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
  1. This development essentially entails that all authors in the participating countries now have a venue where they can publish #openaccess without any fees.
    2. The vision is to develop Open Research Europe (ORE) "as a collective non-profit open access publishing service for the public good".
    https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/3603e219-6a65-11ef-a8ba-01aa75ed71a1/language-en

    2/4

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Mike Taylor 🦕
@mike@sauropods.win replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs ANY authors? Or (as with Wellcome's and Gates's systems) only those in receipt of grants?
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@mike

My understanding is that the agreement covers any author in the country of the funder, grant or not,

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marcelcosta
@marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs @mike I’m not sure about that!

Although for me it has some sense: as they state, the ORE platform is there to make “ it easy for European Commission beneficiaries to comply with the open access terms of their funding”. So as infraestructure is not infinite, it might be understandable to prioritize those that fulfill the initial aim of the platform.

This should be compatible with the appearence of other public platforms with a more general scope.

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Hendrik Jan Hoogeboom
@Jochgem@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@mike @brembs
It seems you are right. The how-it-works page of open-research-europe states:
"Each publication must have at least one author who has been, or still is, a recipient of a Horizon 2020 and/or Horizon Europe grant."
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Möph
@M@nerdculture.de replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@Jochgem @mike @brembs whoooaaaat?
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Mike Taylor 🦕
@mike@sauropods.win replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@Jochgem @brembs I just HATE this kind of pointless discrimination. "We want to advance since, but not ALL science, just our own science". You'd think self-funding would be welcome, but quite the opposite.
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
  1. As we outline in our article, such a decentralized public infrastructure can be highly resilient against not only natural or political disasters, but also "against corporate capture and surveillance technologies":
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.230206
    4. If/when funding agencies realize that maintaining funding for legacy journals directly counteracts the goals they signed onto with their support of ORE, the legacy journals stand to suffer massive drops in revenue.

    What can YOU do?

    3/4

    #academicchatter

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Dan Goodman
@neuralreckoning@neuromatch.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs is it decentralised?
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crazyeddie
@crazyeddie@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neuralreckoning @brembs Kinda maybe. DOI and/or ORCID "tables" could be hosted at any domain it looks like. They can refer to each other sort of like web links. So a document with a DOI record at doi.derp.org could have a bibliography refering to a document pointed at by a DOI record hosted at doi.herp.org.

But this isn't really "networking" so it's not "decentralized". It's kinda like an ISBN for a book or whatever.

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@neuralreckoning

Not yet, I think, but from what I hear and read, it is on their mind - and if it isn't, everybody talking about it will bring it to their attention 😇 😆

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Dan Goodman
@neuralreckoning@neuromatch.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs decentralised is not really the MO of the EU though... 😉
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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

Here are two easy things YOU can do:

#1 Every academic supporting #openscience and #openaccess should consider ORE as their primary publishing venue and ask colleague/co-authors to do the same.

#2 Point your librarian, institutional leaders, funding agencies towards the documents linked above and ask them to support ORE, too.

#3 Make everyone and every institution aware that they now have a choice: support parasitic corporations or the public good. By their actions you shall know them!

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linux
@linux@liberdon.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@brembs

Another thing we can and should do is create decentralized infrastructure to mirror and distribute all content from ORE, to ensure availability and redundancy when confronted with curation and censorship attempts. Let's get a network of Raspberry Pis running IPFS around the world!

I'm in! Anyone else?

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Alex Holcombe
@alexh@fediscience.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs This is the platform that Open Journal Systems got a contract for, is that right? I heard that so far it's only about $1million and I'm not sure how far that goes, so that's great they're pledging more money...
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Violet Madder
@violetmadder@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs

This sounds exactly the type of project and cultural shift we need!

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Albert Cardona
@albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs

The real blocker: ourselves.

Will be, as members of a grant panel or search committee, or grant reviewers, and as authors:

1. stop judging a paper by its publication venue;
2. stop providing subsidised labour to for-profit journals;
3. review only for non-profit journals;
4. send our manuscripts to journals aligned with our values of openness, data sharing, democratised access, diamond open access.

It’s really on us to stop this game of chicken.

#academia#ScientificPublishing

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Frederik Elwert
@felwert@fedihum.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs That’s all nice and sweet, but how can we make sure this abomination of “typesetting” employed on the platform does not become the new norm for how we publish and read all our scholarship? (I know that there are bigger concerns and that his should probably not be the decisive factor. But I also honestly believe that there is an aesthetic aspect driving scholar’s decisions about where to publish.)
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Christof Schöch
@christof@fedihum.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@felwert @brembs

The platform is the one developed for/by F1000, where features, layout and PDF files look similar. But I am sure the PDF and HTML templates can be tweaked and improved.

(I agree that this is definitely a factor for acceptance of a journal... silly as it might seem.)

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Björn Brembs
@brembs@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@felwert

I think their blurb on their new URL gives it away:

"ORE 2.0 is the vision to expand ORE to a European Diamond Open Access platform with open peer-review and operated by the academic community."

If the academic community operates it, we decide it:

https://www.ore.eu/

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Christopher Kyba 🇨🇦🇪🇺
@skyglowberlin@fediscience.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs This is great news, but from your thread I don't see that ORE actually exists yet... Or does it? If so, can you please include in the thread the link?

(If it doesn't exist yet, I can't make it my primary publishing venue...)

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Christopher Kyba 🇨🇦🇪🇺
@skyglowberlin@fediscience.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@brembs I found it: https://open-research-europe.ec.europa.eu/

But I'd suggest you edit the posts above to prominently link to it!

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thomastc | frozenfractal
@thomastc@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp last month
@skyglowberlin @brembs Oof, that needs a better URL that doesn't say "Europe" four times.
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