You can now disable all AI features in nano
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@cwebber ma’am I don’t know if this is a shitpost or if I need to go disable AI in nano because it’s 2025 
@cwebber still sucks that it's enabled by default, though. /s
@cwebber Linux Nano+ PC?
You can now disable all AI features in ed
@cwebber
emacs, unfortunately, still comes with `doctor`
In seriousness,, @suetanvil, it's important to note this. LLM-backed generative AI ballyhoo neglects the fact that Eliza was passing Turing tests (at least, on occasion) before most of us were born.
We're not in the midst of some AI revolution that changes the face of computing. The subfield reached a plateau recently — which has limited uses — except as a capitalist fad, that is — those uses are boundless indeed.
&, @jmax, I can't keep playing M-x doctor b/c my compiles are faster these days!
@suetanvil, fortunately, it would be *both* a violation of GPLv3 and (likely) OpenAI's proprietary license if you hooked up Emacs to Chatgpt's API.
I'm sure M-x doctor would conclude:
“I think your wasteful overuse of electricity & disk space to implement something that is barely better than my 1,625 lines of Elisp has something to do with your problems.”
@bkuhn @suetanvil @jmax I'm not sure it is a violation of GPLv3 to hook up Emacs to ChatGPT's API or not, if ChatGPT's service is some REST endpoint (admittedly, I've never looked into whether it is)
If that were true, browsing the web with M-x eww would also get me into a lot of trouble I'd think
Regardless, I don't advise doing it anyway :P
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Under v3, it's surely a violation,
@cwebber.
GPLv3 group is unique among #copyleft licenses in that “modify” is defined:
> ”To ‘modify’ a work means to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission”
If you need copyright permission to add the REST API calls (which of course you do), then GPLv3§12 kicks in immediately if Chatgpt's license or ToS or TaC in any way contradict GPLv3's terms.
Bob's your uncle & you violat copyleft.
Cc: @suetanvil @jmax
@bkuhn @jmax @cwebber
I'd think that Emacs code which made http calls to ChatGPT's web interface would fall under Freedom Zero, though ChatGPTs TOS is another thing and not something I can really be bothered with.
There *are* models that will run on a desktop PC, so it's not impossible to DIY that end of things either.
Not that there's any value to it, but I kind of like the symmetry of stupid involved in something like this.
@suetanvil, fortunately, it would be *both* a violation of GPLv3 and (likely) OpenAI's proprietary license if you hooked up Emacs to Chatgpt's API.
I'm sure M-x doctor would conclude:
“I think your wasteful overuse of electricity & disk space to implement something that is barely better than my 1,625 lines of Elisp has something to do with your problems.”
@suetanvil @bkuhn Hmmm. If I weren't morally opposed to using the thing for any reason, it might be fun to sic doctor in it.
In seriousness,, @suetanvil, it's important to note this. LLM-backed generative AI ballyhoo neglects the fact that Eliza was passing Turing tests (at least, on occasion) before most of us were born.
We're not in the midst of some AI revolution that changes the face of computing. The subfield reached a plateau recently — which has limited uses — except as a capitalist fad, that is — those uses are boundless indeed.
&, @jmax, I can't keep playing M-x doctor b/c my compiles are faster these days!
@suetanvil @cwebber Why do you say that Emacs still comes with 'doctor'?
@cwebber screaming
@cwebber Yesterday my coworker mentioned that Gemini CLI got stuck on trying to run vim to edit files, seems like "ed" would be the best option there.
@cwebber you have to install a package to disable all AI features in emacs reliably across platforms :(
@cwebber this is important because ed is the standard editor
@00dani For the first time since August 1969, we can now disable AI features in ed (nice)
@cwebber impressively even with all AI features disabled, you can still give ed instructions in natural language
and just like the finest largle langle mangles of our day, ed will not even remotely understand what you want!
❯ ed
vibe code for me please
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make my code good
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please i don't know how to program
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