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@homlett@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 4 days ago

→ Paradoxe libriste et logiciel émancipateur (par @p4bl0)
https://p4bl0.net/post/2022/11/Paradoxe-libriste-et-logiciel-emancipateur

« Dans le milieu libriste, y compris parfois très à gauche, il semble que la possibilité de compromis s'arrête souvent brutalement sur la liberté d'utilisation du logiciel, sur laquelle il serait inadmissible de vouloir poser des conditions, comme le fait pourtant le copyleft sur la liberté de partage. »

#gauche#liberté #partage#Paradoxe #libriste #logiciel #copyleft #compromis#émancipateur
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

😲🤬 re: what's happened to @Codeberg today
The AI ballyhoo is a real DDoS against one of the few code hosting sites that has taken a stand against slurping #FOSS code into LLM training sets — in violation of #copyleft licenses.
This is what lawless & deregulation bring us. ∃ plenty of blame to go around, but #Microsoft & #GitHub deserve the bulk of it as they trailblazed the idea that FOSS code-hosting sites are lucrative targets.
https://giveupgithub.org
#GiveUpGitHub#FreeSoftware#OpenSource
Codeberg.org
@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

We apologize for a period of extreme slowness today. The army of AI crawlers just leveled up and hit us very badly.

The good news: We're keeping up with the additional load of new users moving to Codeberg. Welcome aboard, we're happy to have you here. After adjusting the AI crawler protections, performance significantly improved again.
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

😲🤬 re: what's happened to @Codeberg today
The AI ballyhoo is a real DDoS against one of the few code hosting sites that has taken a stand against slurping #FOSS code into LLM training sets — in violation of #copyleft licenses.
This is what lawless & deregulation bring us. ∃ plenty of blame to go around, but #Microsoft & #GitHub deserve the bulk of it as they trailblazed the idea that FOSS code-hosting sites are lucrative targets.
https://giveupgithub.org
#GiveUpGitHub#FreeSoftware#OpenSource
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@smallcircles
It's a hard & difficult job to write new licenses, particularly a license that serves the users (& not lawyers and their wealthy Big Tech clients.)

#copyleft- @next will move slowly & steadily. I must focus on the final days of the #Vizio case before trial, but I'm looking forward to my “vacation” after the Vizio trial to be work on #copyleft -next!

Watch https://sfc.ngo/vizio/ for more info on #Vizio case!

Cc: @richardfontana @next @andre @dentangle @neil @jdp23
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org (and 1 other) recently replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@smallcircles
It's a hard & difficult job to write new licenses, particularly a license that serves the users (& not lawyers and their wealthy Big Tech clients.)

#copyleft- @next will move slowly & steadily. I must focus on the final days of the #Vizio case before trial, but I'm looking forward to my “vacation” after the Vizio trial to be work on #copyleft -next!

Watch https://sfc.ngo/vizio/ for more info on #Vizio case!

Cc: @richardfontana @next @andre @dentangle @neil @jdp23
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@smallcircles suggested:

> “Or try @forgejo — the code #forge that #Codeberg is based on.”

I agree completely & in #copyleft- @next project, we're using #forgejo <https://git.copyleft.org/>!

The reason I mentioned @Codeberg specifically upthread (& not other options) is (a) 500-char limit on my server & (b) Codeberg is likely the best option for someone who wants to #GiveUpGitHub <https://giveupgithub.org> quickly.

Absolutely, #ForgeFederation is the future: #Fediverse for CODE!

Cc: @forgefed
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@smallcircles suggested:

> “Or try @forgejo — the code #forge that #Codeberg is based on.”

I agree completely & in #copyleft- @next project, we're using #forgejo <https://git.copyleft.org/>!

The reason I mentioned @Codeberg specifically upthread (& not other options) is (a) 500-char limit on my server & (b) Codeberg is likely the best option for someone who wants to #GiveUpGitHub <https://giveupgithub.org> quickly.

Absolutely, #ForgeFederation is the future: #Fediverse for CODE!

Cc: @forgefed
Christine Lemmer-Webber 🌀
@cwebber@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@bkuhn @dos @dpk I think copyleft with source-requirement is good, though I'm not convinced it's viable for all places where CC BY-SA is useful for. For example, distributing raw film footage and editing files for some videos isn't really necessary and may be an unnecessary burden if you think about much of the video content out there today, so having a weaker version of "copyleft" is sensible to me. I would be fine with a different term for it though.
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

In the case of #Wikipedia, though, printed copies should always offer &/or be accompanied with electronic copies. Wikipedia should really be under copyleft and it's not.

After all, paper printout is but a rudimentary form of DRM.

I'm not saying CC-BY-SA is useless and shouldn't exist, I'm saying there is no #copyleft in the CC license group. CC even used to encourage photographers license scaled versions CC-BY-SA & keep high quality images proprietary.

Cc: @cwebber @wikipedia @dos @dpk
Christine Lemmer-Webber 🌀
@cwebber@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@dos @dpk And if you don't know, here's from memory what happened:

Wikipedia was licensed under the GFDL, and that was before CC BY-SA was available as the world's most popular copyleft license for cultural works. How to relicense with so many contributors?

So... Creative Commons, Wikimedia, and the Free Software Foundation collaborated on adding a new version of the GFDL that allowed for relicensing to CC BY-SA if it were done within a short time window to allow Wikipedia to do it
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@cwebber

As someone who was present at the drafting of the GFDL, and someone who thinks CC-BY-SA is not actually a #copyleft license, I think Wikipedia picked the correct evil of two lessers.

GFDL was a peace treaty between RMS & Tim O'Reilly written in the form of a license.

CC-BY-SA is copyleft designed by libertarians.

True copyleft must allow reproducibility from first principles. CC-BY-SA doesn't.

Cc: @dos @dpk
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
#FOSSY25 licensing panel: I ask:“Why are your corporate clients refusing to give complete, corresponding source&just lie re:‘how hard it is to give us complete,corresponding source’? Budgets are moral documents & no CCS is merely a decision to defund #copyleft compliance?”
Kate Downing's disingenuous answer: compliance is too hard & only reason for noncompliance is confusion. Kate's good at capitalist rhetoric,but that's all it is. #Vizio alone to proves her wrong. https://sfc.ngo/vizio
#FOSSY
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
#FOSSY25 licensing panel: I ask:“Why are your corporate clients refusing to give complete, corresponding source&just lie re:‘how hard it is to give us complete,corresponding source’? Budgets are moral documents & no CCS is merely a decision to defund #copyleft compliance?”
Kate Downing's disingenuous answer: compliance is too hard & only reason for noncompliance is confusion. Kate's good at capitalist rhetoric,but that's all it is. #Vizio alone to proves her wrong. https://sfc.ngo/vizio
#FOSSY
Bradley M. Kuhn
@bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

Under v3, it's surely a violation,
@cwebber.

GPLv3 group is unique among #copyleft licenses in that “modify” is defined:
> ”To ‘modify’ a work means to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission”

If you need copyright permission to add the REST API calls (which of course you do), then GPLv3§12 kicks in immediately if Chatgpt's license or ToS or TaC in any way contradict GPLv3's terms.

Bob's your uncle & you violat copyleft.

Cc: @suetanvil @jmax
copyleft-next
@next@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

An interesting thread from #copyleft-next mailing list this week:

A thread about improving readability of defined terms…
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000027.html
… has inspired some discussion about broader strategic approach to drafting a #copyleft license in 2025…
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000032.html
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000033.html

@bkuhn has coined the term “specious argument vector” … but who knows if it'll catch on?
copyleft-next
@next@fedi.copyleft.org  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

An interesting thread from #copyleft-next mailing list this week:

A thread about improving readability of defined terms…
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000027.html
… has inspired some discussion about broader strategic approach to drafting a #copyleft license in 2025…
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000032.html
https://lists.copyleft.org/pipermail/next/2025q3/000033.html

@bkuhn has coined the term “specious argument vector” … but who knows if it'll catch on?