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@fromjason@mastodon.social  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago

It's facisnating to see how the #OpenWeb ideology was formed in the late aughts. Technologists and early Internet tech personalities have long believed in open and free information.

That's great for academia, and the accumulation of humanity's knowledge. But when we extend that ideology to personal data we end up with what we have now.

Open Web evangelists criticizing early Facebook for being too private is an incredible heap of irony.

Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook?
AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available.
The pages are indexed by search engines.
You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook? AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available. The pages are indexed by search engines. You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook? AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available. The pages are indexed by search engines. You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
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@fromjason@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago

It's facisnating to see how the #OpenWeb ideology was formed in the late aughts. Technologists and early Internet tech personalities have long believed in open and free information.

That's great for academia, and the accumulation of humanity's knowledge. But when we extend that ideology to personal data we end up with what we have now.

Open Web evangelists criticizing early Facebook for being too private is an incredible heap of irony.

Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook?
AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available.
The pages are indexed by search engines.
You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook? AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available. The pages are indexed by search engines. You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
Think of it this way. Facebook is an intranet for you and your friends that just happens to be accessible without a VPN. If you're not a Facebook user, you can't do anything with the site...nearly everything published by their users is private. Google doesn't index any user-created information on Facebook? AFAIK, user data is available through the platform but that hardly makes it open...all of the significant information and, more importantly, interaction still happens in private. Compare this with MySpace or Flickr or YouTube. Much of the information generated on these sites is publicly available. The pages are indexed by search engines. You don't have to be a user to participate (in the broadest sense...reading, viewing, and lurking are participating).
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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social replied  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago
@fromjason yep this original #4opens path is NOT comparable with the #encryptionist pushing, the #dotcons common sense we are all too blinded and dogmatic to today.

It's a mess we do need to compost.

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@fromjason@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago

Looking back, no one could've predicted just how good Facebook would become at data mining our personal information.

Would opening Facebook up so that social activity is indexable on Google help prevent the surveillance capitalist system we have today? Surely not.

Knowing what we know now, do we really want our posts, likes, comments, and shares available for anyone to quantify, analyze, use against us etc?

Is that the same as open accessible knowledge on the web? I don't think so.

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@fromjason@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago

Anyway. It's late. I'm rambling. End of thread.

Here's a picture of a cup of coffee I made this morning in my favorite mug gifted to me by my niece.

I made the Cuban-style coffee in my moka pot :)

https://fromjason.xyz/p/notebook/the-bliss-of-good-enough-an-ode-to-my-moka-pot/

A white mug with the phrase "GO AWAY I'M CODING" filled with coffee, placed on a textured countertop.
A white mug with the phrase "GO AWAY I'M CODING" filled with coffee, placed on a textured countertop.
A white mug with the phrase "GO AWAY I'M CODING" filled with coffee, placed on a textured countertop.
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@fromjason@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 7 months ago

One more thing- reading these old blogs it's wild to think that #Facebook was once considered a fairly "private" platform, so much that it was a selling point for some.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090213175451/www.webmonkey.com/blog/OpenSocial_Is_Doomed:_Marc_Cuban_s_Facebook-Yahoo_Mashup_Fantasies

For one thing, most Facebook users tout the service's privacy as one of its chief appeals, getting those same users to suddenly share their profile data with outside domains would tough - even attempting it would likely incur a certain amount of user wrath.
For one thing, most Facebook users tout the service's privacy as one of its chief appeals, getting those same users to suddenly share their profile data with outside domains would tough - even attempting it would likely incur a certain amount of user wrath.
For one thing, most Facebook users tout the service's privacy as one of its chief appeals, getting those same users to suddenly share their profile data with outside domains would tough - even attempting it would likely incur a certain amount of user wrath.
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