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Warm Signull
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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last week

@hamishcampbell I think we are now talking past each other.
My point concerns signaling, tone, and how present constraints are interpreted while survivability is deferred, not funding sources or delaying commons building.
I will leave it here.

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@warmsignull so it's a #block, nothing is to be done practical to build commons. This was a predictable path, hopefully the #4opens dialogue is useful for someone so it was not just a mess.

No resources were created for this energy used, worth thinking about that for the composting we need.

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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

I’ve opened a new #4opens issue proposing a bounded experiment, not a solution: a funding system where rules are fixed before deployment and no human makes allocation decisions afterward.

The goal is to explore whether some informal power failures can be reduced.

Discussion welcome:
https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/issues/18

#OMN #Fediverse #Commons #OpenGovernance

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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

I’ve opened a new #4opens issue proposing a bounded experiment, not a solution: a funding system where rules are fixed before deployment and no human makes allocation decisions afterward.

The goal is to explore whether some informal power failures can be reduced.

Discussion welcome:
https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/issues/18

#OMN #Fediverse #Commons #OpenGovernance

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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

I opened a discussion about a missing design constraint in #4opens.

How are creators expected to sustain themselves while producing #OpenSource and #Commons aligned work, without reintroducing hidden power or relying on self-sacrifice?

I am treating survival funding as a first-class design problem because it shapes governance, licensing, and organization.

Discussion:
https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/issues/17

#Governance #DigitalCommons

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Creator survival under 4opens: an unresolved design question

I want to raise a design question that I believe is foundational to 4opens, but not yet explicitly addressed. 4opens correctly rejects hidden power, enclosure, opaque governance, and capture. However, most common survival mechanisms for creators, including wage labor, employment contracts, venture funding, and closed commercialization, themselves introduce opaque authority, dependency, or control. In practice, this creates a tension: Wage labor is often energy-extractive and incompatible with sustained infrastructure or research work. Employment and funding arrangements tend to introduce invisible decision power. “Work on it in spare time” implicitly selects for people with surplus energy, wealth, or institutional backing. This raises a core question: How are creators expected to sustain themselves while producing 4opens-aligned work, without reintroducing hidden power or relying on self-sacrifice? I am not arguing against 4opens principles. I am arguing that survival is a design constraint that shapes governance, licensing, and organizational choices, and should be addressed explicitly rather than treated as an externality. I am intentionally starting with this question alone. Depending on responses, I expect to open follow-up discussions on governance structure, licensing choices, and transition rules, but those discussions are incomplete without an explicit survival model. I am interested in hearing what models are considered compatible with 4opens, what trade-offs are accepted, and where the framework currently has open gaps.
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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

I opened a discussion about a missing design constraint in #4opens.

How are creators expected to sustain themselves while producing #OpenSource and #Commons aligned work, without reintroducing hidden power or relying on self-sacrifice?

I am treating survival funding as a first-class design problem because it shapes governance, licensing, and organization.

Discussion:
https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/issues/17

#Governance #DigitalCommons

Open Media Network

Creator survival under 4opens: an unresolved design question

I want to raise a design question that I believe is foundational to 4opens, but not yet explicitly addressed. 4opens correctly rejects hidden power, enclosure, opaque governance, and capture. However, most common survival mechanisms for creators, including wage labor, employment contracts, venture funding, and closed commercialization, themselves introduce opaque authority, dependency, or control. In practice, this creates a tension: Wage labor is often energy-extractive and incompatible with sustained infrastructure or research work. Employment and funding arrangements tend to introduce invisible decision power. “Work on it in spare time” implicitly selects for people with surplus energy, wealth, or institutional backing. This raises a core question: How are creators expected to sustain themselves while producing 4opens-aligned work, without reintroducing hidden power or relying on self-sacrifice? I am not arguing against 4opens principles. I am arguing that survival is a design constraint that shapes governance, licensing, and organizational choices, and should be addressed explicitly rather than treated as an externality. I am intentionally starting with this question alone. Depending on responses, I expect to open follow-up discussions on governance structure, licensing choices, and transition rules, but those discussions are incomplete without an explicit survival model. I am interested in hearing what models are considered compatible with 4opens, what trade-offs are accepted, and where the framework currently has open gaps.
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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@hamishcampbell
I have created an account on https://unite.openworlds.info/ and it has asked me to contact an administrator to finish the setup.

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@warmsignull OK account should be active. We had a spam attack a while back and not worked out how to mediate this, so accounts on admin approval at mo till we do. Unite is a space to build #OMN and #4opens sister projects ;)

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

What could a #4opens world look like? https://hamishcampbell.com/what-duse-a-4opens-world-look-like/ We’re talking about a soft move away from capitalism, not an apocalyptic collapse or utopian leap, but a pragmatic, grounded shift in how we live, relate, and build together in the digital era.

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

What could a #4opens world look like? https://hamishcampbell.com/what-duse-a-4opens-world-look-like/ We’re talking about a soft move away from capitalism, not an apocalyptic collapse or utopian leap, but a pragmatic, grounded shift in how we live, relate, and build together in the digital era.

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@warmsignull@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@hamishcampbell I still have a lot of researching to do, but meanwhile I am wondering what do you think about this: https://warmsignull.github.io/

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last month

@warmsignull theoretically interesting but practically academic.

1) People need to balance work on practical tools for the present and theoretical tools for a far away world. What's totally missing is the real world tools #OMN so from a question of balance....

2) The #4opens, one is open industrial standards, what is the path to that?

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@librecomms@indieweb.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@hamishcampbell you might wanna look at this amigo! #4opens
https://openinfra.org/four-opens @OpenInfra

Our Philosophy: The Four Opens

The Four Opens are guiding principles to successfully grow an open source community: open source, open design, open community, and open development.
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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@librecomms @OpenInfra yes I spotted this a year ago... what do you think is common and what different, they come from completely different directions, so this is an interesting process to work thou.... #4opens

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@librecomms@indieweb.social  ·  activity timestamp last month

@hamishcampbell you might wanna look at this amigo! #4opens
https://openinfra.org/four-opens @OpenInfra

Our Philosophy: The Four Opens

The Four Opens are guiding principles to successfully grow an open source community: open source, open design, open community, and open development.
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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

UPDATE 2025 - this is still a to-do list for a path out of the current mess. Look at the hashtag #dotcons #geekproblem #4opens. What is needed for the next 5 years to build an open media web https://hamishcampbell.com/what-is-needed-for-the-next-5-years-to-build-a-open-media-web/

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

UPDATE 2025 - this is still a to-do list for a path out of the current mess. Look at the hashtag #dotcons #geekproblem #4opens. What is needed for the next 5 years to build an open media web https://hamishcampbell.com/what-is-needed-for-the-next-5-years-to-build-a-open-media-web/

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

Blaming “the internet” hides the real problem. it’s not “the internet” doing this. The internet — the actual internet — is a set of mostly #4opens protocols, neutral, simple, robust, built for sharing and connecting. What’s keeping people hooked is the #dotcons: the corporate silos, the addictive platforms, the thin veneer of #techshit smeared over the top of an otherwise elegant #KISS architecture.

It’s the platforms, not the pipes.

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

So what do we do? We #KISS hard stop trusting in any elitist-managed futures. Compost lies using #4opens horizontal networks https://hamishcampbell.com/we-compost-lies-to-build-4opens-rooted-local-horizontal-networks-of-resistance-and-renewal/

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

So what do we do? We #KISS hard stop trusting in any elitist-managed futures. Compost lies using #4opens horizontal networks https://hamishcampbell.com/we-compost-lies-to-build-4opens-rooted-local-horizontal-networks-of-resistance-and-renewal/

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

In practice, projects like the #OMN and #4opens are examples of this balance: using basic tech to empower trust, not control. What does #mainstreaming do? https://hamishcampbell.com/what-does-mainstreaming-do/

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

In practice, projects like the #OMN and #4opens are examples of this balance: using basic tech to empower trust, not control. What does #mainstreaming do? https://hamishcampbell.com/what-does-mainstreaming-do/

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@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

By adopting the #4opens, we take a simple step toward creating a decentralised, open, and people-centred internet that empowers people. Outreach text for the #4opens https://hamishcampbell.com/outreach-text-for-the-4opens/

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