Begging
Just absolutely BEGGING developers of Linux applications, desktop environments, whatever:
Please recognise that "Liquid Glass" should be treated as a cautionary tale to be avoided
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@span researchfairy I updated my work phone to 26 and it looks an awful lot like early KDE3
@span researchfairy my hope is not enough linux users have working GPU drivers for it to be viable, but i wouldn't put it past gnome to insist on burning all your CPU time on it with llvmpipe "as a fallback"
@span researchfairy Gnome guys are probably already implementing their own knockoff version of it :p
@span researchfairy frankly, the developers of applications shouldn't have final say on what the UI looks like anyhow. only the user has the all information to know what they need
anything else is just hubris on the part of the application/etc. developer
@span migratory This attitude is exactly why I stopped using GNOME
@span researchfairy yes, #gnome is uniquely user-hostile in this way. I really don't understand why
@span migratory I think I do and I hate it hahahaha
Do you want to give your users eye strain?
Because as someone with astigmatism, I'm just looking at screenshots of that bullshit and my head hurts already
Spicy UI take:
I want to be able to easily see the UI elements on my computer so that I can interact with them
Even if I have imperfect eyesight
So like
Opaque buttons and windows and scroll bars of a reasonable size with sharp edges so that my eyes can focus
I don't want the UI elements to disappear or blend in or for whatever is in the background to be visible through them
I need them to be easily visible because my eyes are shit
Thanks
@researchfairy Spicy UI take
A lot of UI design hasn't improved since the 90s Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines and only needs small adjustment to the hardware we use today.
@pnorman I use Xfce with a Mac OS 9 inspired theme
It works
Preach it!
My eyes aren't shit yet and I still want to be able to easily distinguish UI elements because it's a frigging tool not Where's Waldo.
@researchfairy Also, you kids who keep coming up with these crap UIs that can't be used by old people? YOU'RE GOING TO BE OLD TOO. If you're lucky anyway.
@researchfairy I really really want random things to stop moving randomly around too. It gives nausea sometimes and fucks up with spacial awareness 🥲
that "scrollbars of reasonable size" train has long left
as has most of common sense in that regard
…sadly
@span researchfairy Anyone got an address for Gnome's UI people? I have some cluebats for them.
Granted, I can probably *already* push a string into org.gnome. desktop.ui. scrollbar.minimumwidth and include that in my start-up scripts. But I really don't want to have to do the background learning to implement that.
@span researchfairy My Pixel phone on the latest Android does this pretty well.
It's funny really, how the two companies took different user interface paths.
@span researchfairy yep hear, hear! Me too (65yo, very short sighted and cataracts coming along nicely!)
@span researchfairy I remember about thirty years.ago when I first encointered GUIs where windows could have all kinds of boders, transparency, and effects like wobbly windows.
I did use some of them for a couple of months until I went back to basic fvwm2 and similar GUIs. Clear rectangular borders and UI elements, opaque windows and basically a UI which keeps out of my sight.
And I was young and had much better eyes. Eyecandy just gets annoying in a short time.
Apple or designers or whatever: "All those things that make your computer usable? We made them subtle and disappearey and took away the borders and make them slide away unless you mouse over them. They get out of the way of the content you see."
Me: "I need my computer to work on it, I don't just dick around on the internet all day."
@researchfairy have you been using it or just looking at screenshots? I was initially extremely skeptical (and I still have plenty of criticism) but IMHO the screenshots of pathological cases are pretty misleading. (I also have astigmatism, and floaters, and recently some pretty extreme vertigo, so I am primed to be sensitive to such things)
@span researchfairy If you have to use such an UI, it can be made tolerable at least by turning on the "Reduce Transparency" accessibility setting.
@span researchfairy Point of order: even those of us who DO just dick around on the internet all day would like to be able to see what the fuck we are doing.
(And you think the astigmatism is bad. Wait until you need progressive lenses.)
@span researchfairy Yeah, I just "upgraded" and I see absolutely no need for it.
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