@stefano It‘s not just the value of stability: There‘s the architectural approach, consistency, diversity and more.
Let me borrow terms from „the danish axe“ to describe my perception of this: there’s a place and need for both the bazaar and the cathedral. However, *some* of the bazaar lovers don’t seem to be interested in/able to understand why cathedrals even exist, why people building them take different architectural aproaches and the diversity of different types of them serves a purpose.

@stefano I had a great conversation the other day with some FreeBSD folks about how to position it competitively when the user believes they need k8s instead.
Sure, plenty of k8s flame was thrown, but at the end we agreed that for the user’s particular needs (some workloads were Linux only codebases, multi-cloud deployment not cost-optimized) k8s was really a better choice than nomad+jails or a custom orchestration setup.

@stefano Great post!

@stefano The BSD communities in the Fediverse are extremely welcoming and helpful. That's one of the perks I've found when running OpenBSD and FreeBSD (and reading about NetBSD) -- pretty much everybody is there to support each other.

@stefano I'm glad for you that you haven't had damaging encounters with toxic people in the FreeBSD community or their enablers.

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Stefano, this person is maybe a the bigger FreeBSD hater from many years...
https://vez.mrsk.me/freebsd-defaults

@stefano I really wonder *where* Yorick interacted with those alleged BSD users ... Twitter?, Reddit? 🙈

@stefano thanks for your post.

I had read the post you're referencing yesterday, and had come away with a certain sense of unease. Thanks for putting some words to the unease, because after further reflection it really is the "battle" aspect where the unease came from. That, and the unnecessary and gratuitous side swipes like the "boomer" references.

Part of this may have come from the fact that I've got a bit of PTSD from an ex-manager who liked to make development tooling decisions based on what tool was "winning" in the marketplace, with only scant consideration if we already had working and suitable tooling...

At the end of the day, the ecosystem grows richer and stronger if we have alternatives large and small instead of the system to rule them all that would eventually need to be tossed into a volcano.

I say this as someone who uses Windows, macOS, several flavours of Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD at this time and would probably run an old Solaris box somewhere if he could find a use for it.

@stefano Great post! I've been using #Linux #FreeBSD for about two decades and want to share my experiences. For context, Linux became my daily driver and I dabbled in FreeBSD on the side.

As a newcomer to both the #technology and #culture of #Linux and the BSDs, *back then* there was more toxicity. And by toxicity I mean abrasive and unhelpful responses ("RTFM!") or some kind of "l337" attitudes in various mailing lists and forums. This, of course, was before YouTube and Reddit, where the former mediums were more prevalent.

Some Linux distros were friendlier than others. In those days, the #Debian mailing lists and forums were a rough place for newcomers and it drove a lot of people away. I left the forums because of that. I rarely post to the mailing lists but for other reasons.

At some point, there was considerable effort to improve the etiquette in said mediums, particularly the mailing lists. Sure, some fiery disagreements can take place but overall people are friendly and welcoming.

FreeBSD, on the other hand, has been a more positive experience. Yes, there are people who are vocal about their contempt for Linux, but they aren't disrespectful to other people.

Having witnessed both communities grow and change over the years, there's definitely less toxicity and FreeBSD is still a more welcoming community.

@stefano ...and this is why I'm moving more and more toward the BSDs; it still got the open source spirit Linux had when I first encountered it.

The use of "is better" is always interesting, based on what? Though I've definitely been there back when I was a Linux evangelist in my teenage years.

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My part from Quare FreeBSD about FreeBSD Community below.

@stefano They're calling Unix users "tech boomers" and apparently it's the BSD communities that are the toxic ones?!?!

@stefano and yet, topics such as XLibre are welcomed and promoted. Every objection against it due to justified moral reasons or discussions is silenced with technical hypocrisy.
Just because it's a binary pile of things doesn't take away the fact that it was made by humans with believes and feelings. Those mushy factors are interfused with every software project in existence.
As a BSD user this makes me somber and gives me the perspective that some peeps are reactionary and to some extend toxic.

I totally agree with you: I've found the BSD community welcoming and peaceful, and I also don't consider it adverse to innovation and change (or maybe the "level of desire to change" matches mine).

@stefano The mere fact that recurrently it's necessary to state that the OS/tech is not a religion is somehow boggling.

Though, 10 years ago I'd loved schooling my peers that you are a brainlet unless you run Linux.

@stefano Great article Stefano!

@stefano well written! I found myself the *bsd communities very welcoming when I came to freebsd in late 2018. I feel there is a lot less toxicity - maybe because the community is also smaller than that of the various Linux distributions. Regarding the fact that it is not a batlle - I remember the time we had more than a dozen of window managers available, all differents, and no one thought it was bad - it was a key benefit : make what you want with your computer, make it your own. Maybe I ´m an old boomer, but I find that it’s a bit too standardized now… :)

@stefano My personal reflection on the [Free]BSD community is that it is mature, friendly and not very "noisy". I guess it's in the eye of the .... and so on. 😍

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Reading your article, I was able to identify the type of character depicted in the other article you cited.

Unfortunately, for some time now, a segment of the Linux community—let's call it the "mainstream"—has been increasingly espousing this "if it's new and shiny, it's good; if it's old, it's therefore bad and no longer efficient" sentiment (I won't mention which community; those who want to know will understand).

"They don't want to accept the new" is now used by these individuals as a synonym for "you're forced to accept this new software because we've decided it's better, and that's it." It's no longer a question of being able to decide whether or not to use this or that software; you're forced to accept it, the communities of these "old software" or those who merely fork it are being denigrated and censored.

Right below your article, I was offered this other article from this summer that connects well with this one and sums up the current situation nicely.

https://my-notes.dragas.net/2025/06/19/from-collaborators-to-consumers-have-we-killed-the-soul-of-open-source/

@stefano The BSDs change, but never just for change's sake itself. New ideas are carefully vetted before consideration for inclusion. A new idea has to pass a test that goes beyond, "this shit stuck to the wall," before it has any chance at acceptance.

@stefano Interesting. It is my experience, following from the side lines, that anyone remitely conservative or christian, is aggressively being hated upon and hounded in many open source communities.

I think perhaps only OpenBSD and most likely Omarchy are two communities where these groups are allowed to be themselves.