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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

Were The Holocaust happening today, Western media would be awash with quotes from Hitler, the Third Reich, and Nazi sympathisers justifying it.

Israel has not only turned Gaza into a literal wasteland, it has also turned the West into a moral wasteland.

(And only the latter is self-inflicted.)

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Mad Engineering
@madengineering@mastodon.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral At the time there were justifications published. They were just buried in shame afterwards.

Since then, shame died. 😫

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Donald Roy
@djr2024@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral

More likely in my view there would have been a combination of AI and other fake material showing conditions in concentration camps to be comfortable and humane (there was a bit of this with #theresienstadt at the time in glossy magazine articles), actual denial and threats to governments and media in third countries for daring to mention it ( #sweden experienced a lot of this in 1942 ). A classic piece of disinformation currently is a clip purporting to show a food market in #gaza .

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Toni Aittoniemi
@gimulnautti@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral Huge investment in propaganda. Or I guess in their case it’s ”hasbara”..
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Estarriol, lucozade dragon
@Thebratdragon@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral

before september 1939 and in the US until very late 41, that is exactly what western media was doing.

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Paul 💙
@PGBeattie@mastodonapp.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral

Natural disasters and even famines usually have some natural causes... Are unexpectedly and assistant usually has a run up to get support and assistance to the victims

Gaza is different the famine is man made, help is minutes way and is being stopped by Israel

Deaths and permanent health issues will persist long after sufficient aid is provided... If it ever is

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Aral Balkan
@aral@mastodon.ar.al replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@PGBeattie Good article/interview on the topic:

“If you ask people who study the topic, they will tell you that a modern famine is a man-made disaster. Natural disasters can play a part. For example, flooding and drought can destroy crops, but relief agencies and wealthy governments can now get aid where it needs to go. So it is ultimately war and political will that keeps enough food from being grown or delivered in places like Ethiopia and Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, Haiti and North Korea and, of course, now in Gaza.”

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240304812/as-famine-looms-in-gaza-we-look-at-why-modern-famines-are-a-man-made-disaster

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Jan
@janw@23.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral I don't think it was ever any different just in varying degrees of visibility (and intensity). I seem to recall Ken Burns' "The U.S. and the Holocaust" showing the popularity of antisemitism and xenophobia even in the oh-so-tolerant US at the time of Hitler's rise. Same with the Jim Crow era at large. In many ways amorality is deeply engrained in society everywhere.
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GeofCox
@GeofCox@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral

Unfortunately Aral, 'twas ever thus. In the UK, for example, the 'Establishment', including the media, was generally sympathetic to fascism. There is a film of the Royal Family giving Nazi salutes. Lord Rothermere, owner of the The Daily Mail and Evening News, Lord Beaverbrook, owner of the Daily Express and the Evening Standard, were both Nazi sympathisers. Geoffrey Dawson, the editor of The Times was a member of the right-wing pro-Hitler group, the Anglo-German Fellowship... Even Churchill's trenchant opposition to Hitler was based not on opposition to fascism (he admired Mussolini) but on the threat German expansionism posed to British imperialism.

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Niels🛰️
@Plutonaut@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@aral it wasn't much different back then
Daily mirror frontpage with title "Hitler's" let's be friends" plea to the world" and quote "I appeal to reason"
Daily mirror frontpage with title "Hitler's" let's be friends" plea to the world" and quote "I appeal to reason"
Daily mirror frontpage with title "Hitler's" let's be friends" plea to the world" and quote "I appeal to reason"
Newspaper clipping about Owens in the Olympics with quote "speaks well of Hitler"
Newspaper clipping about Owens in the Olympics with quote "speaks well of Hitler"
Newspaper clipping about Owens in the Olympics with quote "speaks well of Hitler"
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dougroudouvari@electricrequiem.com
@dougroudouvari@electricrequiem.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@aral@mastodon.ar.al
IMHO the moral vacuum of the West preexisted and Gaza only served as the cause to bring it to the surface

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Juan Per¢ent,🇲🇽 🍉
@dacig@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@dougroudouvari @aral Yep, pre-existent moral vaccum.
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