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@smallcircles@social.coop · 2 months ago

I made a similar case to @erlend and @zicklag some time ago, relating to #Muni town's #p2p technologies.

If one is content with small uptake, and maybe earning sustainable income from that for a small team, or even a decent SMB or mid-sized business, then all is well.

If ones ambition level is larger than that, things are a whole different matter, and much more forces need to be accounted for.

At Social coding commons the #FSDL considers these..

https://coding.social/introduction/#free-software-development-lifecycle

happyborg

@happyborg@fosstodon.org replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill

> but I guess they made enough money from the token sale to keep developing it for the next 100 years.

We wish! The project is still going because of the dedication of the founder and a community committed to its values and goals. It has always had to run on a tight budget unlike other projects that have taken enormous investment.

@pepper0

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @pepper0

Don't know Autonomi, react to more general point:

- robust #p2p technologies exist
- there's no large uptake of p2p (social) networks

In 2017 investigating promising decentralized tech, most noteworthy was the landscape of tombstones of long-dead forgotten projects where people pumped in years of coding.

I came to #ActivityPub as best positioned for broad adoption and 'universal social networking' (bit disillusioned now).

Following holistic adoption approach is crucial.

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @pepper0

With #Solid project you saw a "Just create intricate #LinkedData specs, omit appealing to dev community, target biz directly. And broad adoption will come".

With #ActivityPub we saw "Let's have these initial specs be the basis, and throw it into this grassroots ecosystem, and vNext will rise from that".

#DAT project saw cryptography and compsci experts going deep in the tech, without considering how it would be adopted, implicit "code it and they will come".

Etcetera.

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @pepper0

I made a similar case to @erlend and @zicklag some time ago, relating to #Muni town's #p2p technologies.

If one is content with small uptake, and maybe earning sustainable income from that for a small team, or even a decent SMB or mid-sized business, then all is well.

If ones ambition level is larger than that, things are a whole different matter, and much more forces need to be accounted for.

At Social coding commons the #FSDL considers these..

https://coding.social/introduction/#free-software-development-lifecycle

silverpill

@silverpill@mitra.social replied · 2 months ago

@smallcircles

I came to ActivityPub because I realized that in order to succeed a network needs "exits" to the Web. In Fediverse, every instance is an exit, and there are many thousands of them. Most p2p networks have zero. Some have one.

The problem with ActivityPub, of course, is that it's not a P2P network, and not designed to be, but this problem is solved with FEP-ef61.

Now everyone needs to stop reinventing wheels.

@erlend @zicklag
@pepper0

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @erlend @zicklag @pepper0

Yes, effectively the adoption strategy is founded on the existing broad adoption of the whole web technology stack. That's one smart way to go and build on the shoulders of giants, then leapfrog ahead.

It also anchors us to existing web tech as the one and only way, a given. Despite the protocol stack having many issues and countless innovations available where people are exploring new areas. E.g. @interpeer @librecast

Defaulting to Web may inhibit these.

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @erlend @zicklag @pepper0 @interpeer @librecast

Btw, I'm personally convinced that we'll move towards hybrid decentralization where federation and #p2p co-exist peacefully side-by-side.

Regarding web I think there are natural places where the technology shines, in linking #hypermedia resources. And places where its use represents a Golden Hammer anti-pattern.

For #LinkedData I feel it has yet to see its killer app, that such hypothetical app exists, yet likely never materializes.

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@smallcircles@social.coop replied · 2 months ago

@silverpill @pepper0 @erlend @zicklag

Aside: I recently gave #FSDL double meaning depending on context..

Fediverse social development lifecycle: Sociosphere. #SX inter-personal perspective, Social web, social experiences, socio-cultural impact, fediverse developer ecosystem, fediverse #culture.

Free software development lifecycle: Technosphere. Free software movement, #SOSS initiatives, service / solution development. Ecosystem formation in grassroots environments, cocreation.

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@pepper0@aus.social replied · 2 months ago

@smallcircles 💜

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