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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

I know a lot of folks here have their qualms about Bluesky, but I hope folks are paying attention to what Rudy Fraser and Blacksky Algorithms are doing to decentralize their community from Bluesky PBC infra.

Decentralization at every level of the stack is happening on ATProto. It started *within* the Bluesky infra, slowly drifting away one step at a time, and it's inspiring to watch it all happen.

You can learn more here: https://www.blackskyweb.xyz/

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Luca Sironi
@luca@sironi.tk replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq do they have some bridged account, to follow their efforts ? 🙂
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Faraiwe
@faraiwe@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq still NOT decentralized, still CORPORATE OWNED, still owned by vc crypto techbros.

thIs TimE wILL Be difFerEnT, right?

Hardest of passes, thanks, no.

#DTBO #techbro #bluesky #centralized#CorporateWallGarden

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Mike Fraser :Jets: :flag:
@mike@thecanadian.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq Maybe I'm being super obtuse (most likely) but I really don't get it. Are they building custom community based feeds? Or are they building a PDC? I get the problem they're trying to solve but do they own the data?
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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@mike Yes, yes, and yes!

They started as a custom feed and stackable moderation service (ie. you could use their moderation system + team for your Bluesky feeds) and then started building each layer of the ATProto stack from scratch.

The PDS contains all of a user's data + auth to it. So, yes, Blacksky hosts that data, and Bluesky will receive it via the firehose (Blacksky will own a parallel, replicated firehose as well).

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Doctor M. Popular
@docpop@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq I love to see folks trying to decentralize BSKY, but I'm still so confused on why anyone would build on ATproto when so other options exist that aren't tied to a corporation and are already in mass adoption. I feel like I'm missing something.
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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@docpop Both solve problems the other one has, and some folks prefer the tradeoff with AT. Blacksky's strategy is also uniquely ATProto, this couldn't have been done the way it was using ActivityPub (yet!).
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william.maggos
@wjmaggos@liberal.city replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq @docpop

I guess I need an explainer article. Or preferably experts on opposite sides doing a long podcast. Sorry it just feels like it's 1995 and they're building another web. There's a W3C standard and other stuff to build.

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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@wjmaggos I have to ask - is building something drastically different in parallel while still making compatibility easy a bad thing?

At #Fedicon, ActivityPub and ATProto folks were discussing pros and cons of both solutions and exploring how the other could fill those gaps in tangible ways. We're sharing ideas, improving each other's solutions, and doing them in *very* different ways while still being interoperable.

This kind of competition is good for innovation.

@docpop

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william.maggos
@wjmaggos@liberal.city replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq @docpop

there are positives but I don't know that it's good on balance. if they were completely interoperable automatically, I'd probably say yes.

maybe history can tell us. what were the early days of SMTP and IMAP like? but if we had an alternative to HTTP that some decent percentage of sites still used today and everybody had to opt-in to interoperate, that seems like it would have stunted development.

we'll know more when bluesky starts trying to reward investors.

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Axel Rauschmayer
@rauschma@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq This is the first time I have seen someone run their own Relay service—which should indeed make them completely independent of what Bluesky does: https://bsky.app/profile/rudyfraser.com/post/3loodmvirdk2i

Given that ATProto was built with a global view (firehose) in mind, I’m curious how well that Relay interoperates with Bluesky’s Relay.

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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

@rauschma I believe both relays will replicate/backfill each other

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Jon Henshaw
@jon@henshaw.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@quillmatiq

That tiled background image has major early internet vibes.

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Anuj Ahooja
@quillmatiq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@jon
Your browser does not support the video tag.
a woman crying saying "it's so beautiful"
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ikuturso
@ikuturso@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@luca they can run the infrastructure but they can't get around the architecture or the way it's been set up so that in practice nobody other what amounts to a rounding error is using anything other than the default corporate servers. PLC directory is still fully centralized so the corporation controls who gets to have an account no matter how many PDSes you set up etc. @faraiwe @quillmatiq
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Faraiwe
@faraiwe@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@luca @quillmatiq tHIs tImE wIlL Be DiFFerEnT
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Faraiwe
@faraiwe@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@luca @quillmatiq or for anyone who cares about a better, techbro and corporate free internet :)
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