What's the best programming language? Debate!
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@alcinnz@floss.social in a couple years, Zig. Right now I still have to say Rust but with the caveat that I really only mean synchronous and not async Rust.
@alcinnz the own you designed on your weekend ?
@alcinnz They’re all terrible. Typically when a new one turns up and I wonder if I should try learning it, I read the intro and FAQ and some example code and see if I can make it through those without a combination of disbelief and horror. Usually I can’t.
@alcinnz Actually I just remembered I wrote a whole article about this:
@alcinnz @bkim It’s important to distinguish between null and the zero value. Unfortunately C-like languages obscure the difference by doing #define NULL 0. Having zero values for most types is OK (pointers are an exception, but pointers cause a lot of other problems). It’s null that tends to ruin language safety. If an integer X can be zero, that’s fine, you still have an integer type you can always increment. If an integer can be null, you have a problem.
@alcinnz Dotnet, but specifically after a bout of getting smacked with a newspaper by Rust and reminded to slow down and design first
@alcinnz IDK. 2nd best is Python.
@guenther I'm tempted to run one with the answers I'm getting...
@alcinnz 1. I recently picked it up again after many years away and it's still excellent fun
2. I'm a bit tired of languages with mostly superficial differences
3. I also like to stir up trouble
2. I'm a bit tired of languages with mostly superficial differences
3. I also like to stir up trouble
FORTH, for the preceding reasons
@radicalabacus @alcinnz what are you building with it?
I liked reading about Forth a lot, but I didn't know where it would excel to be used. It seems to be great for low level or embedded stuff, and I don't do much of that
@alcinnz
If you want a portable object oriented language that will eat all your system resources - java
If you want a language that will efficiently do exactly what you want it to do if you do everything exactly right (you won't) - C
If you want a language designed by a psychopath who thinks indentation should be significant - Python
If you want to write a script that absolutely no-one will be able to read - Perl
@alcinnz Why not go whole hawg and say you think vinis better than emacs?
@codingcoyote @alcinnz #csharp for business and #zig for playing around. All around, the best one will be the one I write one day, of course 🙂
@alcinnz the one you have working right now.
BASIC, it's the most basic language. It's so easy, kids in the 80s could do it.
@alcinnz Fractran, I will take no further questions.
@alcinnz
Python is the most versatile.
C++ is the most powerful.
Clojure is the most elegant.
@alcinnz my own language, when I get around to building it.
It's called SKL, a "flow" SQL targeted at analysts and not data engineers or programmers. I want data transformations on a spreadsheet to be incremental, logged, reversible, readable and reproducible -- a way to tie NoCode with YesCode.
I can already compile most of it to SQLite in a clunky UI built with PyScript, but stopped while implementing GROUP BY, so I'm still a-ways of releasing it for the harsh world to poo-poo on it.
@alcinnz #clojure. Had a lot of fun coding backend and frontend in the same language, saved a lot of time in implementation & struggling with newer syntax. #Lisp made functional programming digestible for me. Implemented my own web framework piecing together different libraries with a new glue. All of which I wouldn't have done with Python or Go. 10/10
@alcinnz rust, of course :p
@eichkat3r What do you like about it?
@alcinnz i like turtles
@eichkat3r @alcinnz and logo's turtles all the way down!
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