@black @rvkennedy @raft2551 @M0PWX @LeslieBurns Understand that I've been dealing with privacy issues publicly for a very, very long time (since the 70s). So I've seen a lot and have a lot to compare with. One thing I learned along the way is to keep your eye on the ball. There are so many egregious privacy violations out there that spending time on the lower tier stuff is actually moving the ball in the wrong direction. That's one of the reasons I've never been able to get worked up much about targeted advertising, so long as it's in the disassociated model such a Google has always used. There are hundreds of similar examples that get a lot of publicity but actually divert attention from the really serious stuff. These days, concentrating on (most, there are exceptions) commercial abuses in general is a bad use of time -- it's the government, especially now, that is the real problem in this vein (though obviously, they are linked to the commercial space more and more so there is a partnership effect, especially with Big Tech under Trump eroding trust in Big Tech generally). All that said, despite the waves of privacy issues related to smart TVs over the years, I know of not a single serious case and the concerns have virtually always been speculative "what they could do" in nature. This is the same kind of reasoning the government is using to ban important and hard to replace Chinese-made products in the U.S. (drones, routers, etc.) and I consider it to be nonoptimal reasoning and bad policy.