Discussion
> We are completely overwhelmed, of course. The glimmer of hope is that we secured sufficient LLM budget and access (thank you Meta!) to run reviews with multiple frontier models on each patch. This eliminates some hallucinations.
jesus christ https://mastodon.catgirl.cloud/@lina/117130089920503564
thank you Meta, I proclaimed, filling the Linux kernel with a quote unquote overwhelming amount of fucking slop
@zzt
Identity scans for everything on the internet. Thank you Meta!
good thing the linux kernel has multiple frontier models, none of which are capable of generating a C compiler that fucking works
thank you Meta!
if only we had lots and lots of examples of easier systems projects using similar techniques that entirely failed and now don’t exist as functioning projects
what are bun and rsync, why do you keep saying those names
I really liked having fully working linux systems for… like 7 out of the 30+ years I’ve been using this fucking thing
we even briefly got gaming before they decided to come and fuck it all up in exchange for money
maybe one day we’ll tell the next generation what it was like owning hardware and briefly having an operating system that mostly wasn’t entirely terrible to use
but nah, I’m sure it’ll be fine, I keep seeing the take on here that somehow the kernel doesn’t matter at all for a desktop and nobody will notice when it breaks
you know, the code that literally all of your applications call into, that makes all your hardware work
the thing that was the point of being on linux at all
the kernel????
imagine traveling back to 2001 and going “nah the kernel doesn’t really matter” around any of these people
they’d cut you with a fucking knife
@zzt the people of 2001 had been violently disabused of this notion before it could form by the infliction of Windows ME and its garbage-ass kernel.
@zzt@mas.to @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
Apparently learning from the mistakes of the past which taught us that kernels do in fact matter quite a bit is weak and "social warrior" shit and we should just be ok if the thing All of Software runs on by definition just becomes a useless and broken pile of shit because they let the chatbot rewrite it all based on a plagiarized version of itself.
@zzt@mas.to @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
Even when translating to what the phrase is poorly trying to pretend to be different from, I have absolutely no fucking clue what "social warrior project" is meant to convey because "social justice warrior project" is just not a phrase I can make any sense out of. It doesn't scan at all.
@daemonspudguy @zzt I mean, also isn’t the idea of a high-quality kernel that supports older hardware (I know they just dropped like first-gen Pentiums and there was some furor over it) all free of charge kind of a social good thing if not social “justice”?
@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt this is why netbsd is hero coded
@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt it's also like the only OS that has rejected LLMs and i think there's a reason for that
@hipsterelectron @c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt Isn't their policy to not allow it unless a core dev signs off on it? Hasn't happened yet, but it feels like a "Chekhov's gun." HyperbolaBSD, OTOH, has explicitly rejected LLM use.
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
HyperbolaBSD is also from the same cranks who decided that running an obsolete and thoroughly exploitable kernel was a good idea so quite frankly I think you'd be a fucking fool to ever trust it, or anything from that same group of people.
@daemonspudguy @zzt @lykso @c0dec0dec0de is there more information about this anywhere?
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
The kernel it's using is Linux-libre (already a bad sign anyways because that kernel can't update microcode at all) version 5.10, which is absolutely ancient.
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
I would try to find a specific source about their stance itself but their website is utterly impenetrable because it's all philosophical wankery that I can't make sense of because my eyes physically can't read it. The kernel version, though, is just right on the package list. Last updated August 2025.
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
Oh my god I found one. It doesn't mention the kernel specifically but the fact that the kernel is clearly included in it makes it clear that that's their position.
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:reject_machinelearning#outcome_and_decisions_for_hyperbola
#outcome_and_decisions_for_hyperbola
@daemonspudguy @hipsterelectron @zzt @c0dec0dec0de Yeah, that's the page linked to on https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware
TBH, the latest news item on their website also makes their stance pretty clear, IMO.
@lykso @daemonspudguy @zzt @c0dec0dec0de side note that i really dislike the judgement of openslopware as they adamantly refuse to distinguish between "someone vaguely related to the project said something about LLMs" and "has accepted slop code" which is by far the most important concern for me
@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt @c0dec0dec0de Yeah, fair.
Right now I'm poking at that list because I host my website on OpenBSD and had been converting the server to a tilde of sorts, but the inclusion of LLM-assisted code in OpenBSD's tmux package has got me considering whether to scrap everything and switch to another OS altogether.
@lykso @daemonspudguy @zzt @c0dec0dec0de there's someone who forked freebsd to retain 32-bit support and reject the slop so be aware of those options as well
Install bonfire.cafe
Get the full app experience
![[object Object]](https://media.mas.to/accounts/avatars/109/287/758/133/964/366/original/0f3099c0adfb36a0.png "[object Object]")
