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One of the things I'm occasionally sad about is that it's very hard to read Doric out loud.
Doric is a very hard thing for me to consciously reach for. When I speak to another Doric speaker it unlocks as my husband can attest to.
It was my mither tounge. It was the conversation I had with my Grannie.
I lost it because in primary school we were told we were nae spiking proper English.
It was the comfort of hame. Even now when I come across it, there's emotion that someone still spiks it.
@onepict Had no idea it was a language (I only thought of it as a column with classic lines). Now I want to hear it!
@juliehuz There's a fun bit of pseudohistory with the Doric name for the dialect.
One version I was told by ma faither (father)
Edinburgh is called the Athens of the North. So traditionally the Dorian's were seen as cultural bumpkins compared to Athens.
We took Doric as we thought the Edinburgh folks were a bit classist. It was a way of laughing at them.
In Aberdeen we're still sore at Edinburgh for loosing two volumes of our historical records that we lent them hundreds of years ago.
@onepict As far as I'm concerned Doric is a fine language for someone to use, honestly.
I can read most of it as well as I can read English and I'm Dutch. My partner can't understand a single word, though. XD
@RandamuMaki I've literally had someone need to translate my English when speaking to a non native English speaker. Although some of that might also be to do with speed. 🤣
I think with written Scots it's easier once you relax into it. We're drilled with English that it must be written and spoken perfectly to be understood.
Which may explain some of the regiditiy some native English speakers have with understanding accents. We're used to English being the default in our culture, so we tense.
@onepict I find my brain just sort of adopts whatever language gets spoken around me and I involuntarily start to mimic it (oftentimes badly) in my own speech patterns.
This more frequently happens with accents of languages I'm already familiar with, like Dutch and English, so if I'm in Friesland I will start butchering Frysian...
Same must be true for my reading comprehension of these languages.
My partner does not have this, and it's probably where her rigidity stems from.
@RandamuMaki @onepict Accent mirroring. common in ND folx.
FWIW I have it also. It can be embarrassing when talking to someone on the phone. Ask me how I know. *whistles innocently*
AKA speech imitation ability
@RandamuMaki I know what you mean.
I remember coming back from Dublin one weekend and it took a week to drop some phrases in a very weird Dublin accent I'd picked up.
@RandamuMaki When I read German or some Dutch there's some tantalising similarities I see occasionally.
@onepict we ken the Doric here. (even if I can't write it well)
But there's still a wee bit of rebellion in me.
In using words like "weither" instead of whether (which looks wrong to me, I'm never going to use it.)
Slowly the ease of Doric will come back and it's because of my fellow Scots on here.
I live in France and I live far from hame. But I will always be Scottish. The little Scots I have left I hold on to.
@onepict I ken fine fit ye're spikkin aboot. I feel right at hame an at ease fan I'm spiking tae another Doric body. It's an afffa fine thing tae keep yer heart warm and centred.
It brings me joy that I can read doric and I'm an English speaker who has no knowledge of scots
@burnoutqueen @ChaHarper @onepict
If you get stuck, I definitely recommend the online Dictionaries of the Scots Language at https://dsl.ac.uk/
@burnoutqueen @ChaHarper Well now you've started 😊
Welcome.
@onepict i enjoy this kind of stuff. i tend to use words in english which are seen as weird like "overmorrow" because i feel like they deserve a place. alas im not a native english speaker and even in my native tongue i only ever learned the "proper" dialect. i enjoy hearing of people trying to keep smaller languages alive though
@Abstract_Mage_Annastasia I'm fascinated by the macro languages like romanche and Occitan.
Scots is definitely a macro language to me. There's phonectic differences between the dialects, there's some Scots words I've never used from Ayrshire and I've no doubt some Doric words some other Scots haven't used.
I find the accents of Scandinavian countries interesting as well as I hear a little bit of the North East of Scotland in them.
@onepict @Abstract_Mage_Annastasia
There's definite strong similarities between Caithness Scots & Norwegian/Danish, both in pronunciation sounds, & words. E.g. "e day" is pretty much exactly "i dag".
Likewise there are similarities all along the NE, though to reducing amounts the further south and/or inland one goes.
@onepict treasure a Scots speaking grannie ❤️ I miss mine a lot
@http_error_418 I miss her broth and pancakes.
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