New: the highly controversial AI music generator Suno was hacked. The hacker sent us Suno source code; it shows the company scraped YouTube Music, Deezer, and Genius. In all, Suno scraped *decades* worth of music from the internet. Obviously didn't pay artists https://www.404media.co/hack-reveals-suno-ai-music-generator-scraped-youtube-deezer-and-genius/
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@josephcox This made me sign up for more on 404media...! Thanks for your important work.
Für Personen gilt das laut LG Hamburg als "Umgehung von Verschlüsselung"
Muss ja nicht für "AI" Unternehmen gelten - yolo
@josephcox I sincerely hope AI will lead to a copyright reform. The gap between the physical reality and the laws is getting wider. Let's not pretend we can actually enforce copyright. At the same time, having access to all world's knowledge is pretty darn useful, as evidenced by the existence of LLMs.
If not, the other option is copyright enforcement only for plebs.
@josephcox that's not so different from how music is created without AI after all then 😉
I got a hunch Alphabet might *not* sue them…
https://www.medianama.com/2026/07/223-google-accused-copying-millions-books-train-gemini/
@josephcox
This is peak techbroism. As well as peak late stage capitalism Take shit that's not yours, package it up as yours and sell it, try to corner the market and while you're at it put the people out of business, or into poverty who actually do or did the work. Then with a vile amount of self congratulation take credit for "Innovating"
@josephcox i am hoping for justice
@josephcox "I wrote a song" by typing a prompt is not writing a song. I'm so glad Suno got hacked. AI needs to get in the bin.
Yeah, I always put a comment to my web code saying how many requests it served so far.
Also I add a line saying how many KB my code served until now for the hacker’s convenience.
As predicted - there was no way Suno would have such an ability to riff on mainstream artists without using copyrighted works en masse.
Copyright infringement isn't theft! There are plenty of valid arguments against AI, but this is the least concerning. The originals still exist. The artist can still make more art.
Y'all really should focus more on the ecological devastation, lack of accountability, and aggressive anti-worker posturing from US AI companies. This line leads more directly to political action which could halt or slow down AI data center construction. Without people power, we're left complaining about lost profits and license fees like a bunch of wannabe rich people.
@xj9 @josephcox Um.
The originals still exist. The artist can still make more art.
That has nothing at all to do with copyright law or whether it constitutes theft. If you're using something produced by an artist in a for-profit work, then you are using the artist's contributions to make you money, and you're cutting the artist out of it. They aren't getting royalties or credit, they have no opportunity to even consent to be part of your project, and before AI came along, you'd have been sued to death for trying to take an artist's music, download it, and use portions of it in your own for-profit work, app, your own monetized YouTube channel, whatever.
Without people power, we're left complaining about lost profits and license fees like a bunch of wannabe rich people.
Poor artists need money. One of the largest settlements in history over AI use was over art theft. It's certainly one of many avenues to shut down exploitative AI usage, especially if people keep bringing lawsuits.
@oli @josephcox that's not going to hurt them, they have basically unlimited cash.
@xj9 @josephcox If they keep getting $1.5 billion settlements ruled against them, that affects their bottom line.
When your company isn't even profitable to begin with and is relying on venture capital to make line go up, and needs to spend $1.5 billion paying off just this wave of settlements for IP theft, that's not just a rounding error.
This battle can be fought on multiple fronts.
And besides it's not a "rich person's" battle, as I was trying to say. This is about creators, poor artists, actually being paid for their work by, as you've already explained, fantastically wealthy organizations with nearly unlimited capital at this point in time.
Saying that complaints about theft of creative works make us sound like a bunch of rich people isn't accurate.
You find me a bestselling author, and I'll find you 500 that didn't even break even on the costs to commission cover art, much less pay for the book itself.
@josephcox @tante the secret sauce of every major AI player: massive amounts of crime
@josephcox could you add some alt text to the image? Many people don't boost posts without alt for accessibility reasons. I'll edit my reply once I'm not on my phone to add a suggestion for alt text you can copy&paste if you want
